Is psychosis a different malady from neurosis? Is it treatable? Curable? What causes it? Heredity? Epigenetics or just plain bad experience?
I wrote this recently about how we manufacture inhibitory/repressive chemicals such as serotonin.
“What is very important for us to realize was that a mouse fetus does not make her own serotonin until the third trimester. It seems like the mother supplies what is needed until the baby can take over. But when the mother is low on supplies, she cannot fulfill what the developing baby lacks. Therefore, the baby carries around a load of pain. Now if we apply that to humans, there seems to be a time in gestation when pain or noxious stimuli impinge, but we are not yet able to produce our own gating chemicals—ungated pain. This residue will continue and may lead to bouts of anxiety later on in life. It becomes free-floating fear or terror. This is not due to heredity but rather to experience in the womb. This is why we should never neglect womb-life when addressing neurosis.
Part of our in utero life, therefore, takes on hurt at a time when our system can do nothing about it. Nevertheless, it affects all later development. At thirty we may suffer from panic attacks that began its life in the very early months of our mother’s pregnancy. It is pristine and free-floating, ready to spring forth whenever we are vulnerable. No talk therapy can make a dent in it. It leaves us fragile for a lifetime so that any insult in infancy and childhood weakens us all the more.
It seems to me that there may be a genetic component to psychosis but equally if not more important is epigenetics; what happened very early on in gestation. My guess is that the earlier the trauma (mother smoking, drinking, high anxiety state or depression) the more we have the makings for psychosis. For the reasons cited above; the fetus takes on hurt before he can do anything about it. Worse, this alteration in the first months of gestation alters the set-points permanently so that the person is forever low in inhibition or repression. Of course, as an adult he will need the very chemicals he lacked in the womb; inter alia serotonin. And the heavy duty drugs we use on psychotics are enhancers of serotonin. Why? Because early trauma depressed its output and made the body think that was normal. Of course the body doesn’t think in words, but it does in chemicals. And that communication begins with the advent of the secretion of key chemicals while in the womb. It is just an accident that effective pills simply make up for what is missing in the person’s system? What pills do is supply the missing link, help out our physiology and try, therefore, to reestablish normality. So sometimes the mentally ill feels normal again. That is no surprise since we are artificially normalizing the person’s physiology. In Primal Therapy we normalize in the normal way; that is, we reestablish setpoints. That is why after one year of our therapy there are normal levels of serotonin.
What is the hallmark of psychosis? Usually it is hallucinations and delusions. Delusions are a later development than hallucinations. They indicate a more organized cerebral/thinking apparatus. But both manifestations are provoked by upsurging very, very early pain; usually there is no content to this pain other than pure agony.
Can they be treated? We have done so with some success but in-house therapy is needed. Otherwise there is too much stress out there for the mentally ill to adapt. There is evidence that when the psychotic hears voices there is an activation of the brain system where those voices originate. For delusions; there is usually the notion that someone “out there” is out to hurt him. The pain/hurt is already inside, and it is now rationalize as being out there. But the brain is reacting to the hurt. Since the person has no idea where that hurt comes from and how early it occurred, he has no choice but to project it out there: “They are plotting to hurt me.”
There are many ways to go crazy. The body does it with cancer, a cellular out-of-control event. The brain does it with ideas, but it is always the same pain they are dealing with. Psychosis merely means that the normal defense mechanisms do not work. The brain is stretched into wild and unreal ideas because there is no other way to get a handle on the pain. As we add pain killers to the psychotic the delusions lessen. Clearly, they are associated with pain. The great question is where does it come from? I think I know, but we will let research help out here.
I recently found out that my Granny "smoked like a chimney" throughout all her pregnancies. Both my mother and her sister had severe psychotic episodes and two siblings died shortly after birth. What an impact this might have had!
ReplyDeleteGood morning Dr Janov,
ReplyDeleteI have several questions about psychosis : does it mean that an healthy human being even in an highly stressful environnement (war, mental harassment etc) isn't going to become psychotic even for a short time? that is if you have no inner pain to control i.e that your serotonin level is right you won't react the same way?(become psychotic or depressed). Or is it that a healthy human being won't let himself get caught in that kind of "trap" and will know how to protect oneself...?
Yann.
I suggest a correction from "It is just an accident....?" to Is it jsut an accident....?"
ReplyDeleteHi Dr.Janov this is emanuel (from Germany..) unemployed sales person..) some 20 yesrs ago my "psychotic" friend -I would prefer the notion the victim(nt only!!) of a lifelong history of fist line intrusion into his third line .which led him to proclaim he`s Jesus ( crucified he was in those weeks and treatment !! therafter .. And now my point after he got a t r a n q i l i z e r ! he suffered almost immediately a decompenation /as the white clothed gentlemen (?) like to denote it .My guess is this the second line was calmed ,so that the first line pains had better access to his thus flooded third line ...? Yours cincerely emanuel
ReplyDeleteYann, Psychosis is the last ditch stand of the neocortex to defend itself against trespassers and intrusions of feelings. Healthy people could have a transient delusion but it is usually unlikely. I was in the war, seven battles, and felt that I was cracking at the end, vomiting continuously, but no delusions. art janov
ReplyDeleteVery very early pain is the culprit plus parental compounding with neglect and lack of love.
Pbef: You need to give me the context. art janov
ReplyDeleteDr Janov,
ReplyDeletethank you for your answer. I understand that some people are born psychotic (traumatic events during womb life)and unloving parents but I was thinking about people who become psychotic between their teenage years and before 25/30. It means that those people have been able to deal with their life till they become overloaded with first line intrusions?
Is it always because of drugs usage (Ecstasy or other)or is there another possible explanation?
Dr Janov.
ReplyDeleteDon't reply if this is a personal question, but I am curious about your wartime experience.
Can you outline it? Do you feel that you've 'primalled' it all out of your system?
Yann: I am no expert in all this. There are many research studies on psychosis and it seems to me that the hormonal turmoil going on in late adolescence is a major contributor. But because we take far fewer psychotics than neurotics I am not on sure ground. I think, basically, it is when the first and second line become the third line that we have the makings of psychosis. dr. janov
ReplyDeleteHello Dr. Janov,
ReplyDeletewhat do you think is the difference between full blown "psychotics" and people who have some psychotic symptoms (hearing voices, paranoid thoughts) associated with their illness? For example, psychotic symptoms during mania (my brother has been diagnosed with bipolar disorder, and he sometimes hears voices and gets paranoid).
Err... I hope the question makes sense.
AnttiJ: Sorry but it would be unethical of me to presume to understand this case. We need far more information to diagnose this. dr. janov
ReplyDeleteAndy: Someone is writing my bio but I was in seven battles in the pacific aboard a battleship where I was a machine gunner. art janov
ReplyDeleteSorry, I can't resist talking about myself again. It's not because I'm totally self-centred...it's because I like to talk about stuff that I know is real (coming from personal experience).
ReplyDeleteWhen I was five I experienced a couple of psychotic episodes. One time I saw long black worms sliding down the walls and they all slid under my pillow. I knew they were hiding there. I cried out for mum. It was always very hard to cry out because I felt like I would wake the demons. My mum came into the room and I told her there were worms under my pillow. She lifted my pillow and I saw the worms. She swept all the worms away with her hand (she was pretending ofcourse). When she was sweeping the worms, I actually saw the worms vanishing with each sweep of her hand.
Around the same time, I also became delusional. I believed I was living in a world of dinosaurs, and my brother and two sisters and parents were not real. I thought they were just in my imagination. I was terrified that one day I would wake up and see all the dinosaurs around me. This delusion happened only during one night. It began as soon as the lights were turned off. I was wide awake. I resolved the horrific feeling by convincing myself that I will be able to continue living in my imagination. I told myself "It doesn't really matter if nobody is real. I will stay here forever so the dinosaurs can't get me. I can be happy even if nothing is real" (this was an incredibly difficult thing for me to accept, and was by far my worst childhood experience, involving deep terror).
I never thought about it again after that night.
My point is: I have never experienced psychosis since then, so I believe psychosis is not strictly reserved for the "psychotics". I think psychosis is probably just an extreme case of neurosis. With enough pain or toxin....a biased belief becomes a completely unrealistic belief.
I am not an expert either but I don't think it is unethical to give an uneducated opinion. Maybe someone out there can shed some light on the subject.
Richard. There is a difference between transient hallucinations and delusions and a psychotic state. One happens to someone who for the moment is overwhelmed with pain or input. The other is when defenses breakdown completely and the lower levels reside in the higher ones. The pain pervades conscious/awareness and makes us believe it is real because in some respects it is real to the person. It is just a slight shift in context. Someone is out to hurt him but it is a long ago and actually happened. Because the early imprint is now to the fore the person takes it as real. There is not enough critical capacity to differentiate real from the unreal. art janov
ReplyDeleteEmma: See how important all this information is? dr. janov
ReplyDeleteEmanuel Sounds right but it is risky to make diagnoses without more information. dr janov
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