I want to tell you about how Primal need works.
First, a story in today’s paper about a man
who failed at sports but from the time his son was eight years old, he forced
him into sports. And even when the child
(and he was a child) was hurt, he demanded he get up and play on. He broke a tooth but the father never saw the
little hurts because he only could see himself, and when his child was cheered
on later in sports the father somehow felt they were also cheering for
him. In short, he lived his life and his
needs through his son. His needs came long before the ones of his
son. He was effectively having an
ineffable Primal where he relived the failures of his life and his need to be a
winner, through his son. The son never had a chance.
Another story of a patient, a lawyer, who was ignored and
derided by his father as someone who could never do anything right. The father continued to criticize and demean
him, so he himself could feel a little bit of success… At the expense of his
son. The son was treated like “dirt,” he said. And so with his clients the son was supercilious,
arrogant, totally sure of himself and could not allow himself to be
questioned. He was the important
person, and with his clients those old pains seeped through constantly. The
feeling of being nothing forced him to act like he was something, someone
important and valued. His manner of arrogant speech was the betrayal of his past hurt and denigration. He did not try to speak in a superior fashion; his old need/pain importuned it. His old feelings colored the tone of his speech and offered a protective cover against his feeling like a failure. His work could not
be put in question. He ran from criticism and could be bought for
just a few words of praise. His flight
was constantly away from his pain. He
avoided anyone who was critical, and socialized with those who praised him and reinforced
his worth. That was as unending as his need/pain, which
was locked into his brain. What he sought out was always symbolic,
someone who thought he was important, those who genuflected before his superior
intelligence. And, of course, he
cultivated that intelligence so he could be idolized. But as his need was interminable, so was his
act-out.
I remember in my old days of Primal, I would take someone who was brash and aggressive and loud in his speech and demand he speaks only softly and timidly. He would soon cry; feeling unprotected, weak, and alone.
In both cases, old feelings and needs superseded
reality. Just like a woman I treated,
who could only get involved with strong men because her father was so weak he could not protect her against a
constantly angry, miserable mother, who blamed her daughter for all her
failures and ailments. The mother was as unrelenting with her daughter as her internal misery. Of course the mother had no idea where her
misery came from, so she focused on a vulnerable and defenseless target… Her
daughter. That daughter paid a lifelong price
for her mother’s pain. When the husband
left home, the mother blamed the daughter, “If you weren’t born, he would had
stayed with me.” The daughter had
implacable guilt and began to feel like the failure her mother instilled in
her. Later on, she got married and became the
guilt-laden miserable being she was made into. Do not ever think that a bit of counseling would help her overcome her
character flaws. Behavior therapists
confine themselves to the present because it is so easy to travel in those confines,
which limits their scope and therefore their field of required knowledge. They see only obvious behavior, while a long
childhood history lies unexamined. If
this were applied to geography, the world would indeed be flat.
Yesterday I felt a bit of a memory, of not being able to breath. I felt it only for a moment or two but that was enough.
ReplyDeleteOn reflection it was very satisfying even to only feel a tiny bit of that feeling, though terrifying and terrible, because it met my most basic need, the need to breath.
Now I understand why I could only touch on those feelings momentarily, and why such a primal need could not possibly go on for hours, not even an hour, though it may take an hour and years to get to such a feeling safely, because the memory was at a time, when my life was literally hanging on a moment, and my most basic instinct was for life itself.
It now makes perfect sense to only feel moments of such a powerful feeling, and then to have resurfaced, though it took me maybe an hour to get down to the feeling, and years of preparation.
Now as I reconnect to the memory with my word brain, It brings tears to my eyes because it's a memory so touching, because it touches on my very own evolution, of a time of coming out of the water, and adapting to air, and for a few moments I was a fish out of water, so vulnerable, where the only thing to hold onto or connect with was my very own will to breath, to live.
I had to go all the way back there because it was the earliest memory of wanting to hold onto something and having to let go, which amazingly is the act of breathing.
To feel what motivates ones very own heart beat and breath rhythm is to discover ones very own will to live, and love of life.
An unconscious powerful attraction to wish to travel back years in time and evolution, to feel a lack of oxygen that felt like near death, now makes so much sense of a most mysterious and subtle, powerful and unquenchable life long exhausting unmet need, because it was and still is my most vital need, the need to breath.
The trigger for thefeelings occured during a driving lesson with my boyfriend when he was trying to teach me some defensive, and potentially life saving driving skills. Funnily, and not so funnily it tapped into some of my most fundamental drives and defence mechanisms. Hence the name ' defensive driving' pardon the pun.
Katherina
Katherina
This was written anxiously for fear of being judged as not having real feelings, it may look like I was trying to have feelings about difficulty breathing, but I can assure I was not. It was the furthest idea from my mind when I started my session.
DeleteMy session started well anchored in the present, about seeing my boss at work the other day with her little girl who was trying desperately to get her mothers approval and affection. This lead to feeling my need for my bosses approval and affection, and then for my mothers, eventually a memory of needing to hold my mothers hand as an anxious child, and earlier needing her to hold me as an infant, and feeling how she only held me when she felt like it, but not as much as I needed. Whilst crying about it exhausted with grief as an infant, I started to feel that if I kept crying for my mother to come, that my lungs were starting to collapse from exhaustion, and I couldn't breath. The only thing for me to do as that infant was to stop crying, and give up on my need to be held to save my own life and simply breath.
Anyway, I I'm moving on from needing approval and approving of my own feelings.
Katherina
Where do you do these Primals? Art
DeleteSo anxiety is a relief for what actually caused it... it at the time when life-threatening events was at it source!
ReplyDeleteSo anxiety of advanced age is but without its consciousness... so become anxiety a lifesaving symptom! It has lie there for a long time because of its life-threatening background... why etched in... why become anxiety as a relief. But simultaneously it became a chance for us to may later in life be aware of its source... if only we could understand the process to be.
So anxiety will continue to be the scourge of human redoubt along with the professionals inability of understanding... it as long as they refuse the science of its fysilogiska cause.
Not to forget the therapeutic process for those who still struggeling with his anxiety and want help from the primal therapeutic process who can turn to the center.
Thank you Art!
Your Frank
Hi Art & all,
ReplyDeleteI have 'separation trauma'. I am pretty sure I was whisked away from my Mum at birth, anoxic, drugged unconscious, bruised and left on a cold tray in another resuscitation room. Consequently I really hate being ignored and find that particular 'defensive tactic' very obnoxious.
Strangely, 'freezing out' and ignoring people has now entered the lexicon of 'emotional abuse' whilst at the same time the rhetoric of how to deal with narcissists who seem always to 'need' attention has been highlighted as the very reason why: "If you have nothing good to say, then say nothing at all"-.
Such a simplistic 'Moral High Ground'. Perfect for those unreflective types who are always so busy they have never had time to see beyond their own defensive walls.
Thus, somehow 'freezing out' has become a virtue and skill to defend against potential narcissists. It's like a kind of macho form of 's he who blinks first loses'. . .
Whatever you do, don't let a narcissist get one over you, just ignore anyone who seeks your attention. . .
Thus in this ever more neurotic world a new battle of silence ensues whereby anyone who speaks out of turn must be an attention seeker and deserve to be ignored. . .
There are now four people who are very important to me due to them being directly in contact with my daughter or directly in contact with me at work who deliberately freeze me out because when under stress I tend to talk too much sometimes, I want to express myself, to be understood. . . I also tend to speak my mind, particularly to those whom I am dependent on for work and for my family connections.
But actually I am merely a subcontractor in both my daughter's life and at work. . . I am the sperm donor and the carpentry machine, so I just put my head down and 'shut the fuck up'. . .
How grim it has become in my sordid little life. . . Something has to change soon. I am making furniture and a workshop for myself, a new workbench, biding my time, printing new business cards and gradually 'getting on' with my own thing. . .
It's fucking lonely though. . . Particularly after a whole night of insomnia and three hours under the covers involuntarily deep breathing and speechlessly in the grips of indescribable sensations. . . . .
Paul G.
Paul, that sounds very repressive about someone wanting to silence you when attention is what you want and need. It's a kind of double bind. You can't get the attention if you don't speak up, but if you do you are ignored for doing so. Like pretend you don't have feelings and maybe someone might help you. Playing it cool is Crazy.
DeleteYou might as well keep talking, at least you can hear what you need even if no one else does.
Sheri
Hello Paul & sheri!
DeleteThis is exactly what I mean is the situation we ourselves must question the meaning of and whether it is possible to endure! A difficult but perhaps necessary decision that must be made with care for its own good... with tears and sadness.
Take care Paul
Your Frank
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Who knows something if they do not know that something else of science exists to be? Then they know more for what their purpose determines the order to be... how can that be? It because science is not allowed to be!
ReplyDeleteHypothalamus... a memory center where Alzheimer proves to be highly active. It was by injecting a radioactive substance that binds to anyloid... a substance that are released by Alzheimer's disease... which made it possible to track where it is produced in the brain. BUT NOT A WORD ABOUT WHY ANYLOID ARE PRODUCED... an issue absolutely crucial to discover the cause of Alzheimer's!
What happens in the scientific world? Are scientists more tied to the pharmaceutical industry then their intrests of showing the causes of suffering? Or are they so lost in themselves that the question of cause does not even appears to them? I can understand if that is the case... but it is far from any agreement with them... as I understands better to day.
Frank
The loneliness in our own history is a places to begin our therapy? Better than when we overflow with pain and suffers. But first it has to be at its option to be possible! This is of a great advantage if it can be done.
ReplyDeletePrimal therapy can be "kind" to us if we approach with sense of memories where we were more than were subjected to suffering... but still it is a memory out of understanding for what it was. And how do we do it? The conditions to it are that we are not overflowing with memories so that we can be back there with events not as painful... memory where we just were... and so build on to painful memories at a pace feasible for what suffering is bearable... so that we can be where we were at our pain as a helpless child... not to be a disaster for us. Well there we will know what is happening.
My life now is similar to my life as a child... but much now is also the same for what I am looking back at my childhood... so the difference is not but I am becoming aware of the child in me... so I get familiar with my memories of my childhood and there I am.
Frank
What is behind all these needs and why do they not made themselves visible? Because even the solitude without being channeled into it is a life-threatening experience! We need and we take what there is not to suffer from it. We are hiding behind unawareness which in it self is an evidenced... if we knew... and we are not talking about it? There are those who know this and they are also the ones who have to pursue the matter further to become a basis for further development of primal therapy.
ReplyDeleteTo get there is beyond the reach for those who are not involved but well for those who are. But it is met with alot of obstacles from many sources who says they know... including from those who are involved in primal therapy as they not rarely defend their own privacy by not be able to disclose own suffering... a privacy unfortunate for what they then pronounce themselves about primal therapy around gods and other philosophies.
We must have a reliable source! If we do not have it... we will be buried around speculation about other things than primal therapy. Fortunately... we have the primal center and for those of you who do not know... you live a life of loss... a loss of your selves.
Frank
Comment from Gary, via email:
ReplyDeleteAfter 25 years of involvement with Primal, in one way or another, I´ve made it a general rule to avoid people as much as possible. I have very few friends and just to keep my head above water emotionally, rely on faceless communication via the internet. How anyone can believe that an entire childhood of daily hurt, one way or another, can have no effect, or even - and tragically this is also the case in some "psychotherapies" - can be neutralized by "forgiving and forgetting" is preposterous and its widespread acceptance in itself a sad reflection of how damaged humanity is. And I must mention this. That most people can just dismiss, one way or another, and put out of their minds the fact of over a billion sentient creatures dying in emotional and physical agony, EACH DAY, in factory farms, after lives of abject physical and emotional suffering, is also a massive testament to the damage done by childhood trauma. The ability of people to dismiss or deny the most hideous suffering and pain makes a total mockery of our self professed claim to being a "superior species". Gary
More from Gary:
ReplyDeleteThis resonates so much with me. I had to struggle through years of agonizing academicia - school then universtity - so my parents could prove to everyone how successful they were as parents. No overt pressure was ever put on me yet somehow I knew I had to do it to please them. I HATED every second of my university life and the subjects I studied and got low grades. But fathers generally put their sons in a double bind: the sons must succeed to prove the fathers manhood, yet must not outshine the father, so cannot be too successful. It´s a narrow window.
So after University, I found myself a totally lost, desolate soul, and only for the last two years (I´m now 55) can I honestly say I´ve found what I know I must devote my life to: Saving animals.But in my infrequent emails to my parents, still my backbiting, condemning mother ignores me, and my father constantly uses the word "disappointed" re their attitude to my life. Never is there a word of praise, encouragement or shared celebration for anything I share with them about myself
I think generally (I know there are lots of exceptions) girls are not pressurized to succeed as much as boys. Simply by being female, my older sister never felt any of the (subtle) pressure put on myself and my brother to be big wage earners. But because of acute family sexism, she was seen as worthless and discarded like trash, and today is a lonely, emotional mess. Myself and my brother feel like failures. She doesn´t. But her feelings of rejection and inadequacy are much worse. Gary
Hi Gary,
DeleteMy father still cannot resist talking about himself endlessly. At 87 he is writing and self publishing fictional books and short stories which feature parts of myself (no 'copyright' there eh?) as well as his own symbolically represented unmet needs. . . into his own fantastical fictional perception of narrative act outs. . . from his own unreflective eyes, like a cheap Don Juan. He sends me copies of his latest 'creation' to 'a - praise'. The last one a 'history of the family' which featured him and his absent father as the central heroes. He also advises me to get into writing and publishing - Of course I am completely 'upstaged' and have total writer's block as a consequence. . . His professional mentor, a retired and ageing professor of literature has now gone into the advanced stages of dementia and so, my poor father no longer has a 'shoulder to lean on' in the literary world. . . as for my mother - she languishes in nappies in a local privately run dementia care home. Poor chap, he has no one to discuss his next author itarian venture with. Apart from me and my compliant elder brother. . .
Meanwhile, I hide under the covers or struggle with the Zero hrs contract arrangement where I do carpentry to remain sane.
I understand your frustration Gary, really I do.
Paul G.
Answer from Gary to Paul via email:
DeleteIt´s a tough one isn´t it Paul? No matter how intelligent and informed we are, we hold out hope of our parents changing, but they won´t. They can´t.
The last few years, I´ve subconsciously transferred my pwn struggle with my parents to the world at large in the form of the unspeakable extent and severity of animal abuse. Funnily enough, though you´d expect the magnitude of the resulting psychoemotional pain to be infinitely greater, it isn´t.
In retrospect, it´s exactly the same as it was as when I first read Prisoners of Pain 25 years ago, and my defences crumbled.
That´s because the gravity of our primal pain is fixed, and not changed by external stimuli, no matter how gargantuan, unless, that is, that external stimuli further traumatizes us.
And the unspeakable horror of animal abuse I face every day of my life may well have traumatized me further. I don´t know.
In Primal THerapy, once one trauma is relived the next pops up for resolution, like, as Art says, those pop up plates in restaurants. In similar fashion, I know that if no animal abuse existed in the world, my pain would still be there, tormenting me, sabotaging each day.
Thanks for the empathy Paul. I know it´s sincere. But still, current conflicts with my Pa are somewhere behind the surface pains I´m feeling. Gary
Hi Gary,
DeleteI also would like to add that I am very impressed with your vegan / animal rights convictions. It is a 'straw man' argument for any of us to make out you vegans are the odd ones out. Let me explain what I realised:
I used to be a chronic tobacco smoker. For years I didn't realise how toxic and smelly that made me. I tried to give up 4 times; 4th time lucky about 8 years ago. Now the smell of tobacco smoke makes me sick and triggers off asthma in me. I can no longer be anywhere near cigarette smokers; all the tobacco addicts I know seem to be rather unreflective sympaths to me, I think the sympaths have the greater difficulty there.
I became vegetarian several times and noticed dislike for meat, but slipped back into meat eating again. People say that being in the trades, it kind of comes with the territory - basically being VERY insensitive in a very 'dodgy & dangerous / painful' environment - the territory makes us like that. It includes drinking & smoking. I don't do site work any more, can't handle it, can't handle the 'insensitivity'. I know people who are repulsed by meat and not many of them have stressful physical jobs which certainly desensitises people - building sites are often like a war zone. I imagine that after a while the 'addiction' to meat that you have spoken about becomes broken and the taste for it goes, permanently as has with tobacco for me. I sense you may well be right that Primal Pain drives meat eating as it does Tobacco smoking, but this implies much work has to be done to get back that sensitivity. Taste is a peculiar thing, sometimes a mask, sometimes a window.
I hope your 'homeless' situation is working out. I am still trying to unpack in my minuscule bedsit. Converting it into a two bed cabin with my carpentry skills is proving very difficult and expensive. The New World Oder (bad smell) has made my skills redundant and even a luxury to have. . . Be cheaper for me to go to Ikea !
Thank goodness the walls and ceiling are concrete and the windows double glazed. . .
Take care Gary.
Paul G.
Knowing is the scourge of hell if we don't feel its cause! How can we possibly know about something if what we know is our escape from it... why we know! And so we know about other things in the battle for our lives!
ReplyDeleteSomeone who know do not need to understand (feel) what is happening... but one who understand (feel) what is happening also know! A vocabulary equation difficult to understand for those who deny the difference!
If you think you know... you're not even close... because you know in attempt to not feel... if it does not surprise you ... and then you're in trouble... if you just know as defense to not feel. So... your thoughts take routes other than what they are suppose to do... something they can only do with the help from those who feel what is happening... as will save your life..
Knowing is the scourge of hell if we don't feel its cause! How can we possibly know about something if what we know is our escape from it... why we know! And so we know about other things in the battle for our lives!
Frank
My brother died two days ago!
ReplyDeleteIgnorance about the meaning of death rests in its infancy when it comes very close to us ... and nothing can make us think of something else to escape its extensive experience linking us up to life... but such a pain!
Frank
How terrible. So sorry. Art
DeleteHi Frank,
DeleteI'm sorry for you. Were you close? Sometimes grief is worse for the loss of what we never had. I know that when my Dad dies I will grieve so badly because of what he never gave me. Until then I will be 'holding out' with false hope.
Paul G.
All is about need of love!
DeleteWhat you are saying is the big question of whether we are lost in ourselves or not. I have been lost all of my life... that is why I been trying so hard to get what I could not get. That is why I wrote "Ignorance about the meaning of death rests in its infancy when it comes very close to us and nothing can make us think of something else to escape its extensive experience linking us up to life... but such a pain"!
If I had been loved so had the grief for my brother's death not been so painful... but grief!
Thank you Paul!
Dear Art,
ReplyDeleteBest wishes and speedy recovery from eternally gratefull Tanja...
Surgery put off one week. Thanks for all the good wishes. Art
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