Art Janov, one of the pioneers of fetal and early infant experiences and future mental health issues, offers a robust vision of how the earliest traumas of life can percolate through the brains, minds and lives of individuals. He focuses on both the shifting tides of brain emotional systems and the life-long consequences that can result, as well as the novel interventions, and clinical understanding, that need to be implemented in order to bring about the brain-mind changes that can restore affective equanimity. The transitions from feelings of persistent affective turmoil to psychological wholeness, requires both an understanding of the brain changes and a therapist that can work with the affective mind at primary-process levels. Life Before Birth, is a manifesto that provides a robust argument for increasing attention to the neuro-mental lives of fetuses and infants, and the widespread ramifications on mental health if we do not. Without an accurate developmental history of troubled minds, coordinated with a recognition of the primal emotional powers of the lowest ancestral regions of the human brain, therapists will be lost in their attempt to restore psychological balance.
Jaak Panksepp, Ph.D.
Bailey Endowed Chair of Animal Well Being Science
Washington State University
Dr. Janov’s essential insight—that our earliest experiences strongly influence later well being—is no longer in doubt. Thanks to advances in neuroscience, immunology, and epigenetics, we can now see some of the mechanisms of action at the heart of these developmental processes. His long-held belief that the brain, human development, and psychological well being need to studied in the context of evolution—from the brainstem up—now lies at the heart of the integration of neuroscience and psychotherapy.
Grounded in these two principles, Dr. Janov continues to explore the lifelong impact of prenatal, birth, and early experiences on our brains and minds. Simultaneously “old school” and revolutionary, he synthesizes traditional psychodynamic theories with cutting-edge science while consistently highlighting the limitations of a strict, “top-down” talking cure. Whether or not you agree with his philosophical assumptions, therapeutic practices, or theoretical conclusions, I promise you an interesting and thought-provoking journey.
Lou Cozolino, PsyD, Professor of Psychology, Pepperdine University
In Life Before Birth Dr. Arthur Janov illuminates the sources of much that happens during life after birth. Lucidly, the pioneer of primal therapy provides the scientific rationale for treatments that take us through our original, non-verbal memories—to essential depths of experience that the superficial cognitive-behavioral modalities currently in fashion cannot possibly touch, let alone transform.
Gabor Maté MD, author of In The Realm of Hungry Ghosts: Close Encounters With Addiction
An expansive analysis! This book attempts to explain the impact of critical developmental windows in the past, implores us to improve the lives of pregnant women in the present, and has implications for understanding our children, ourselves, and our collective future. I’m not sure whether primal therapy works or not, but it certainly deserves systematic testing in well-designed, assessor-blinded, randomized controlled clinical trials.
K.J.S. Anand, MBBS, D. Phil, FAACP, FCCM, FRCPCH, Professor of Pediatrics, Anesthesiology, Anatomy & Neurobiology, Senior Scholar, Center for Excellence in Faith and Health, Methodist Le Bonheur Healthcare System
A baby's brain grows more while in the womb than at any time in a child's life. Life Before Birth: The Hidden Script That Rules Our Lives is a valuable guide to creating healthier babies and offers insight into healing our early primal wounds. Dr. Janov integrates the most recent scientific research about prenatal development with the psychobiological reality that these early experiences do cast a long shadow over our entire lifespan. With a wealth of experience and a history of successful psychotherapeutic treatment, Dr. Janov is well positioned to speak with clarity and precision on a topic that remains critically important.
Paula Thomson, PsyD, Associate Professor, California State University, Northridge & Professor Emeritus, York University
"I am enthralled.
Dr. Janov has crafted a compelling and prophetic opus that could rightly dictate PhD thesis topics for decades to come. Devoid of any "New Age" pseudoscience,
this work never strays from scientific orthodoxy and yet is perfectly accessible and
downright fascinating to any lay person interested in the mysteries of the human psyche."
Dr. Bernard Park, MD, MPH
His new book “Life Before Birth: The Hidden Script that Rules Our Lives” shows that primal therapy, the lower-brain therapeutic method popularized in the 1970’s international bestseller “Primal Scream” and his early work with John Lennon, may help alleviate depression and anxiety disorders, normalize blood pressure and serotonin levels, and improve the functioning of the immune system.
One of the book’s most intriguing theories is that fetal imprinting, an evolutionary strategy to prepare children to cope with life, establishes a permanent set-point in a child's physiology. Baby's born to mothers highly anxious during pregnancy, whether from war, natural disasters, failed marriages, or other stressful life conditions, may thus be prone to mental illness and brain dysfunction later in life. Early traumatic events such as low oxygen at birth, painkillers and antidepressants administered to the mother during pregnancy, poor maternal nutrition, and a lack of parental affection in the first years of life may compound the effect.
In making the case for a brand-new, unified field theory of psychotherapy, Dr. Janov weaves together the evolutionary theories of Jean Baptiste Larmarck, the fetal development studies of Vivette Glover and K.J.S. Anand, and fascinating new research by the psychiatrist Elissa Epel suggesting that telomeres—a region of repetitive DNA critical in predicting life expectancy—may be significantly altered during pregnancy.
After explaining how hormonal and neurologic processes in the womb provide a blueprint for later mental illness and disease, Dr. Janov charts a revolutionary new course for psychotherapy. He provides a sharp critique of cognitive behavioral therapy, psychoanalysis, and other popular “talk therapy” models for treating addiction and mental illness, which he argues do not reach the limbic system and brainstem, where the effects of early trauma are registered in the nervous system.
“Life Before Birth: The Hidden Script that Rules Our Lives” is scheduled to be published by NTI Upstream in October 2011, and has tremendous implications for the future of modern psychology, pediatrics, pregnancy, and women’s health.
Editor
To confirm your Reflections, I have copied a few paragraphs from one of my articles:
ReplyDeleteMy nose has endured a lot and has been a very vulnerable part of my painful and complex physical suffering. As a kid, I had frequent sinus infections, and it was always considered due to a cold. After receiving strong anti-epileptic medication my nose was regarded as allergic. I went during the 70's through two painful operations, one to drill wider holes into the sinuses and to remove and reduce my mucous membranes of the nose. In addition, I have endured de-sensitivity treatments to counteract my reactions to house dust without results ... Sense of smell, I have only had short periods.
From the second stage of my epilepsy and therapeutic experiments in the mid 90's the constipation of my nose and the numb feeling in the area around the eyes and nose have disappeared. After a birth primal when I have been through the feeling of pressure, squeezing, slime formation and strangulation and experienced the sequence when the baby cry ascends my numbness is gone and all channels are open, and I've regained my sense of smell, which has been repressed by the pain and constipation in my head during a large part of my life.
So I can now feel and understand the connection between my birth process, its anesthesia, strangulation, confusion and my clogged nose. When the anesthetic is gone so blood and other body fluids can circulate, and my nose is clean and sensitive to scents, which in turn affects my taste. The same connections, I can better feel my fingers and toes. They have all been involved in the game which pain imprinted during the birth trauma indirectly produced. I have visited specialists in various departments, in many hospitals because of my sufferings, and I have left with treatments and answers I never thought were correct and I have met doctors whom I could feel had no idea about the reasons of my afflictions, which obviously didn’t reduce my own confusion. This confusion was compounded by the feeling I had that they thought I was a hypochondriac or imagined ill....
Doubts are more cruel tan the worst of truths.
Jean-Baptiste Poquelin Molière
Jan
I thought this sort of supports your assertions indirectly. I'll comment in the next post.
ReplyDeletehttp://news.discovery.com/human/city-stress-brain-110622.html#mkcpgn=emnws1
How Cities Stress Us Out
Even if you live in the country now, the impact of coming from a city persists in the brain.
By Emily Sohn
Wed Jun 22, 2011 01:00 PM ET
THE GIST
• In stressful situations, people who live in cities show extra activity in a part of the brain that is involved in mental illness.
• Even if you move to a quieter place, growing up in a city leaves a lasting impression on your brain.
• The work might help planners design cities that are better for our health.
Living in cities makes people more sensitive to social stress, suggests a new study.
Full of blaring horns, flashy billboards and fast-talking residents, cities can be stressful places to be.
So, it may be no wonder that urban-dwellers suffer from higher rates of schizophrenia, depression and other mental health problems, compared to people who live in quieter places.
Now, a new study helps explain why cities stress us out, and the answer seems to lie in our brains.
In stressful social situations, the study found, people who live in cities showed extra activity in a brain area that is associated with depression, anxiety and even violence. People who live in rural areas but were born in cities showed a similar kind of brain hyperactivity, the study found, suggesting that your place of birth may forever affect the way you deal with stress.
NEWS: City Lights Spark Air Pollution
The researchers don't recommend that urbanites run out to sell their condos in favor of country homes. After all, there are plenty of reasons why living in a city can be good for both mental and physical health, including a plethora of stimulating environments and easier access to good health care.
Instead, the findings offer researchers and urban planners a new way to figure out what it is about cities that induce anxiety. And that, in turn, could help in designing cities that can reduce -- instead of invoke -- stress.
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I left the rest out.
My father is a good example of what you speak of. He had no love at all and is one of the most messed up people in the world. As well, any little stress can wipe him out completely. He has suffered breakdowns more than once in his life. It can literally cripple him when he is overcome by it. Once he can get by it, he can walk again. Last time was a bit slow in recovering.
ReplyDeleteHe also has zero will power or internal strength. He can not stand up to anything. He has a built in weakness for just about anything. To me, it would be like describing a poorly built house that can be blown over not just by a tornado, or a strong hurricane, but even a mild breeze or a little push from someone.
People who can take a lot were lucky enough to have some fortification and reinforcement so that they can weather a storm or crisis without going to pieces.
On the article on Cities, my belief is that too many people crammed into too small an area will be “infectious.” If one lived with a retarded parent, it could do much damage since a lot of abuse could come from a retard. Living, surrounded by neurotics everywhere, would be sort of the same. You’d be a basket case before it was all over. City living is not healthy for many reason. Constant noise, light pollution, electronic pollution, cement in place of green growth, and so many other factors do not help, either.
And once damaged, then those damaged are much more likely to go off. Now imagine that you are a social engineer who wants people to be minimally effective and distracted and lacking concentration. How beneficial it would be to have kids wounded by bad parents and cities. Why, it would be a gift from, well, somewhere. Or one could simply engineer it all, complete with schools that torment and torture so that kids are moved to shoot and kill each other. Won’t be much learning there, now, will there?
It is enough to make one wonder if there is not some master scheme involved. Or maybe I’m just hallucinating or playing with ya’ll. Anyway, early neglect can be as deadly as deliberate abuse. But I don’t see anyone making any moves to stop it. Is it because they do not see, or because they see and do not want? Just asking you all!
Have we arrived to where we are by accident and/or chance it was this someone plan, somewhere? I say collectivism, whereby power and control are accumulated and expanded, does not come about by accident but by determination, will, and purpose. But what do I know. I have no status, no authority, no celebrity, no money. So I could provide wonderful marvelous reasoning, but still never get anywhere.
On the other hand, is some with authority or celebrity, or power were to suggest something, they would not need proof or logic or reasoning. They would only need to speak and would be believed fully and immediately. What a gift that would be!
So to those in power around the world, I would say, use your gifts and powers wisely because I hear Karma is a real b1t@h!
Jan: This speaks for itself and expands on what I wrote. art janov
ReplyDeleteYou tell us the truth Art but if the truth is just a truth in itself… it's not much of a success.The truth for a few of us while the Earth's people are suffering… what have we gained? I know how limited my life is but what can I do if the thruth is insane for everyone else?
ReplyDeleteArt we got somthing to do… let us try with a legal process?
Frank
The discovery of primal therapy is significantly greater than any discovery man has ever done. What Einstein and Copernicus discovered cannot be compared with what primal therapy can achieve. I claim that because what followed in Einstein’s tracks is life-threatening to humans. Copernicus discovery has not been useful as we look through eyes that are not relevant to the reality. Their discovery is perhaps a discovery because the rest of us are emotionally disabled... depending on our neurotic state with its solution in the discovery of our need of love.
ReplyDeleteIf we do not accept the big question about spreading primal therapy… then the consequences for humanity will be devastating. To see that useless I see as a consequence of the neurotic complication.
It’s hard for us to find the right arguments… as well other major discoveries have been throe. That is the neurotic condition… a barrier… but an obstacle to overcome. What we think is not always relevant to the reality.
”We can forgive the poor who don’t see”… but we cannot let them continue their struggle with serious consequences for others.
Frank
HI,
ReplyDeleteI mentioned Bill Mollison of Permaculture fame in an earlier contribution on the subject of the correct interpretation of evolution:
Natural Selection: Bill discovered in the temperate forests of Tasmania (and all other maximum environments, usually mature high forests) that the various different species and varieties of life had attained "Inter-dependence". This means the various diverse interests had evolved a sophisticated layer of boundaries which SUPPORTED THE CO-EXISTENCE OF THE NEIGHBOURING LIFE FORMS, "interdependence".
Whilst these emerging natural environments develop into a 'maximum' environment what can be observed looks like competing adversaries.
The balance of nature looks as if there are battles and conflicts of interest. Thus it is easy to mistake a small part of the whole (looking like conflict) for the larger whole and to "globalise" ones' conclusions to believe all life is a battle-ground.
As I said before, the 'Power Posessors' do not have the personal integrity to actually be able to collaborate with each other and they compound their crimes by promoting an adversarial view of Nature: "Survival of the Fittest". This is a type of Anthropomorphic projection.
For a genuine conspiracy to evolve and become effective the individual conspirators would need to be capable of their own genuine feelings and individual psychological independence.
I suppose something big (in history) that approaches a good example of a genuine conspiracy was the planning during WW2 for the invasion of Normandy.
At one point the allies were playing a triple bluff on the Nazi intelligence systems using free French Radio operators who had hacked into the axis system. The Nazis bought into it and refused to believe the invasion was the real one even though it was right infront of their eyes. This historical event approaches a genuine conspiracy because of the tremendous amount of interdependence required to make it all work.
Greed, revenge, hate and power projections can all mix together to produce a dreadful mess and waste of life and resources but does not make a conspiracy.
Events can "transpire" but only free and independent humans can "conspire". I could take this further still and say that a conspiracy is only necessary when Natures' Laws have been transgressed and some Humans (free and independent) see the need to do something about it. Life happens whilst we are making plans, in an ideal world what we call planning is actually a collection of natural pathways with the intention to stay on those paths. Everything else is a misinterpretation of the facts of evolution.
Paul G.
Hi,
ReplyDeleteSince joining this blog I have come to question everything I understand about evolution and human psychology. It even affects the way I do planning for my carpentry projects and how to market my sole trading career as me, carpenter, not “it” Co. director. A shift from the acted role to my personal needs directly.
I feel and think that Jacks’ insights are basically correct and there really is something a bit strange about this 3rd outgrowth we call the human intellect.
I have this vision before me of one of those dinosaurs with the big bony outgrowth on top of its’ head. . . The ones the palaeontologists (and film makers) explain was for ramming their attackers with. . !
How perfect an explanation is that for the way our intellectual function can mimic self preservation needs inherited from 75,000,000 yrs ago?
But could the content of the bony structure (on top of our heads) be worth more than merely self preservation needs in the face of adversity?
Could our triadic consciousness (when working properly) in us humans contribute to more than our own individual existence? Is there a self regulating structure inherent in 3 brains that 2 would do anyway (I think not) and could that contribute to an enhanced evolutionary purpose? I mean, I often feel like one of those dinosaurs banging my head against adversity whilst trying to use the grey matter to think my way out of the problem but surely there’s more to life ( and this Gestalt) than just surviving the possibility of surviving and feeling these inevitable consequences?
My intellect, with my feelings wants to know these things and fathom it all. My feelings are asking for this help. In the absence of Mummy and Daddy to answer these questions I have to give myself some reason for the situation and I do, I listen to others’ opinion but I no longer make a religion of it. We aught acknowledge how the intellect offers us an enhancement to our understanding without putting the evidence on a shrine and worshipping it. With so many different opinions a shrine would not be big enough for them all. Knowledge as it comes along, (without a shrine) is worth remembering and if it happened to me ‘it’ becomes part of me, warts and all.
This is supposedly the original psycho-synthesis, that we have 3 brains, the wholly triad of the manifest, “God Created”. I don’t know, it wasn’t my idea but I might be going along with it even if I’m not entirely conscious of the process or am obsessed and compulsed by my partial understanding.
There’s a church in Normandy (St Mer Eglise) that a parachutist fell onto (and survived) during the Normandy invasions (that great historical conspiracy) which has the Holy Triad as three circles connected by an equilateral triangle in one of its’ windows.
Paul G.
Dr. Janov: on alcohol problems...
ReplyDeleteThe new research from the Keck School of Medicine at USC (June 2011) will be ignored, because the ones in power need the money big cities and bedroom communities bring.
What else can come from people living in high-rises (I call them rabbit cages) breathing smoke/smog wherever they go, poisoning themselves and their unborn. Long live the stress, as long as someone makes money from it. For sure, we will not find this kind of education on TV.
What we hear, even on PBS, is a lecture repeated about how Columbia University (CASA) has found out that even children drink alcohol.
I truly don’t understand why most universities repeat the same studies and release findings to regarding conditions everybody knows already.
They do their study and then act like they found the universal answer to the problem, without understanding that they have looked only in their little drawer, where they have collected subjective, outdated information, instead of looking into the pool of other possibilities.
Example:
“Key Findings About Underage Drinking”
“Underage drinkers are a critical segment of the alcohol beverage market. Since most heavy and problem drinkers begin drinking before they reach age 21, underage drinking is key to the profitability of the alcohol industry.”
“The prevalence of lifetime alcohol abuse is greatest for those who begin drinking at age 14. Parents are too often unwitting co-conspirators who see underage drinking and occasional bingeing as a rite of passage, rather than a deadly round of Russian roulette.
Hold parents legally responsible for their children's alcohol use. -- Step up enforcement of underage drinking laws for children and teens who drink and the individuals and establishments that provide alcohol to them.”
And so continues the outdated “informed” lecture...
http://www.scienceblog.com/community/older/archives/K/3/pub3117.html
Neither of these scientists are able to explain why children drink - but they have lots of advice, quickly finding labels and rigid solutions. Admit the source of all problems? No! Never!!!!
What this website presents has very little to do with science.
Nevertheless, they get grants and government money for publishing, for republishing the paradigms of yesteryear.
Sieglinde
An email comment:
ReplyDelete"Bob Ray, please, please read this, as I believe there to be a great deal of truth to it. Just think what this could mean to health care costs! What he calls primal pain is what we now often call traumatic stress which becomes post traumatic stress. Arthur Janov paints a bigger picture. He has a damaged throat but may be healing from it, we hope. He or his wife or some of his crew would be great to put on PBS as a presentation, but also is worthy of editorial pieces. Please help, I think the future of our kids especially in stressed poverty conditions may be at stake. We can't afford to let all those kids down, and if we do we will be destroying this country and all it should stand for in terms of virtues and better more fulfilled productive lives.
Catch this aging genius in the headlights one last time. He may be holding a better future in his hands."
Paul: Are you sure he survived? I thought he was shot from the ground. art janov
ReplyDeleteOh Dear,
ReplyDeleteI'm glad it wasn't you Art. His story survived and so has the stained glass window.
I am surviving my fall from grace, so far.
Paul G.
Frank,
ReplyDeleteyour desire to fix or heal the world is admirable and what we all want. But when you suggest something legal, I gather you have some faith or trust in that system. I offer the idea that justice and courts are a total and complete farce, carefully controlled by the “superpowers” throughout the world.
But if enthusiastic and dedicated PT fans were to promote PT on their own, possibly even cooperating with each other, you might reach a few more. The problem is that our natural reaction to deep internal pain is to run and hide from it. This drastically reduces the odds of success, since we are working against the current of the river.
Some here do their own thing in promoting and sharing. Any little bit helps. But this is likely the only place where such help will come. No system controlled by mainstream orthodox establishment authority will ever help this cause. They hate it. They want to control us and our minds. PT means self control of the mind. That is in complete opposition to the “other side.”
We just have to accept that as it is.
Hi Paul G.
ReplyDeletePaul >>> “As I said before, the 'Power Posessors' do not have the personal integrity to actually be able to collaborate with each other and they compound their crimes by promoting an adversarial view of Nature: "Survival of the Fittest". This is a type of Anthropomorphic projection.”
I would off this, Paul. A Godfather has a group of loose cannons for his “army” or “employees,” if you prefer. But they all obey the big leader cause they will die if they do not. You might be surprised at what brute power can accomplish.
Paul >>> “For a genuine conspiracy to evolve and become effective, the individual conspirators would need to be capable of their own genuine feelings and individual psychological independence.”
Let me point out why I think this statement could be flawed. You suggest independence in conspirators would be needed. Just the opposite, I say cult rule requires the oppression and denial of all independence and to obey without question. Further, the real psychopaths have no feeling. They are capable of anything and I do mean anything. Nothing is too hideous or monstrous. If you doubt me, email me and I will send you some YouTube video links. Hope you got a strong stomach.
Any group or nations is controlled by brute power and force, not by individual will. This is where your theory could use some practical fixing, as I would see it.
Paul >>> “Greed, revenge, hate and power projections can all mix together to produce a dreadful mess and waste of life and resources but does not make a conspiracy.”
The question is, as regards that mess you speak of, is, whether any deceit was involved in getting or manipulating nations of people to support something are horrible as war. If it is undetected deceit, then you have a conspiracy. All nations are ruled by control and force, things which are deliberate. But if you tell people the reason is something they will accept, but in reality, you have another goal to accomplish, then again, deceit is present and becomes a conspiracy. Manipulation through deceit is a nasty game every time.
You are also playing games with words as I see it. Transpire, conspire, or perspire, it makes no difference to me or your argument. Deceit and treachery for the purpose of manipulating people into acting against their own best interests is conspiracy, by any other word. Treachery and treason are also applicable words.
I do not question your good intentions. But me thinks you are playing the lawyer and not a very good one. You do not see any continual trends over the last hundred years or more. It may be that there are not. But it may also be you are not well acquainted with those. I would only suggest that, that which we fear the most, we are most likely to ignore or deny. What I suggest is not pleasant to contemplate. I do not suggest it to scare but to forewarn so that perhaps some of the worst can be avoided. I do not believe in the “lets stick our head in the sand and hope it all works out” nor do I believe you like that idea, either.
But I have never really seen the personal trait of “courage” ever discussed much in PT circles or on this blog and I would suggest with strong urging, that everyone give more attention to personal courage. Though hard to reach, the inner primal self needs to appreciate how important it is to face fear. Many PT fans have come to recognize how important that is.
Hi Paul, again!
ReplyDeletePaul >>> “I feel and think that Jacks’ insights are basically correct and there really is something a bit strange about this 3rd outgrowth we call the human intellect.”
You know, those in authority and power throughout the earth also agree with you and Jack on that. I instantly get suspicious when anyone says,
“Turn off your mind, relax and float downstream
It is not knowing, It is not knowing.” (Lennon McCartney)
Those who want to control everyone hate thinking and questioning. They despise the intellect and try hard to beat it down and suppress it. You have some interesting company there, Paul. I am a bit perplexed.
Paul >>> We aught acknowledge how the intellect offers us an enhancement to our understanding without putting the evidence on a shrine and worshipping it. With so many different opinions a shrine would not be big enough for them all.
You ought to consider a job with the big propaganda machines out there, Paul. The evidence, which you imply is worship or idolatry or something like that, seems to me a clever way to avoid the evidence. But I get very concerned when someone fears thought, or analyzing, or critical thinking, or being questioned, or any other related function. Who are you really working for, Paul?
Consider this one last idea. Superstition and irrational ideas usually come from feelings guiding the decision making. Feelings can be very irrational and un-beneficial, if not down right dangerous. The Intellect helps us to recognize PT and what is going on in us and cause us to seek out therapy and clean our heads and think straight for maybe the first time in our lives.
You and Jack say the intellect blocks this and I say you are both are very wrong. The goal and purpose of PT is to unite the intellect with the feelings, not banish the intellect. Is it possible you have both missed this? We need both, do we not?
To be honest with you, Paul, your argument against the intellect is my best support of it. Ever met a retard? What are they lacking? An intellect, no? And what is it like dealing with them? Not a lot of fun! Think about it, please.
Apollo: Listen Bruce Wilson and Peter Prontzos are organizing a future foundation to promote primal. you can contact them if you wish to help. art janov
ReplyDeleteHi,
ReplyDeleteApollo and all, I'm sorry I get up your nose, you're not the only one I'm sure. Every-one else on this blog: I'm just another neurotic specimen (but you all knew that anyway).
I am having quite dramatic experiences of reliving past anxious feelings and longing for my mum. I can feel the pressure emerging and also I can sense the way the projection of these feelings inverts ( a bit like the light through a lens)through some 'beliefs' and 'fixations' in my mind. Ideation, Idealisations. I used to project this out onto other people (women particularly). It's hard to describe but sometimes when Art talks about stuff on this blog (and other great contributors too) I get more real flashes of insight about these living experiences, sometimes I just break down and cry on the floor for 10, 20 minutes.
My belief in conspiracies evaporated about the time these feelings started coming up (I used to be an avid believer in conspiracies). Also because of my business experience and facilitation training I've had, I began to notice how what each of us is hiding through our fixations becomes a sort of shadowy group force. This I feel is the conspiracy you talk about but it is about as far away from the "Gunpowder Plot" as it could be. Yes of course criminals conspire to commit crime and they even do it in groups and this leads to mass crimes but as Art says we aught to look to their motives from past traumatic experiences before we put a judgement on them (or even us). Not for compassion or forgiveness but for 'understanding'.
To be honest my personality has made a very good scapegoat of me in my life; believing in conspiracies has not only fuelled my alienation and exile but formed the nub of my own projections: "It's all out there, isn't it"? "It's all them, isn't it?
Apart from the Primal Scream which I read 27 yrs ago, I have avoided Arts books because I'm fed up of being a psychology bookworm and collector of books. I suppose I still sound like one!
Anyway it was my body work therapist that started this process in me but (after reading Alice Millers' books and finding her reference to Art) I gave up going to see him. He's a good man but he couldn't take me any further. Now I'm signed up to go to Santa Monica. All else is secondary to that (apart from my children).
I have several internal cognitions of how my head brain gets in the way (as a defence) of the building tsunami of pain wanting to be relived (and so, in small doses, relieved). Also I have some real insights into how my intellect/head brain actually helps the process along. It seems what Art is saying is that the intellect has a creative role to play in the process as it's happening. It has been said the intellect is the seat of consciousness and I agree.
I think we're arguing opposite sides of the same coin Apollo.
Anyway who are the controllers on this blog and are they selectively conspiring to reveal something of ourselves to us? Publishing all this talk; I mean. . .
Paul G.
(PS Richard, chance would be a fine thing, probably why I talk so much).
Paul we welcome you with open arms and a ready heart art janov
ReplyDeleteApollo,
ReplyDeleteThere are always possibilities... God's "existence" shows that it does so.
We need to move on with what we have... nothing else will do. It is quite right what you say about how we function as a "humans" but there are also possibilities. Getting the leaders disagreed on the top of the hierarchy opens the doors we cannot even imagine. I mean if any of them would embrace the PT… it could have effects PT would win. PT contains not only its efficacy but also its argument no one would get past a legal process.
Frank
Apollo: Listen Bruce Wilson and Peter Prontzos are organizing a future foundation to promote primal. you can contact them if you wish to help. art janov
ReplyDeleteGreetings Paul!
Paul >> “My belief in conspiracies evaporated about the time these feelings started coming up (I used to be an avid believer in conspiracies).”
You know, it has always been a concern of mine that primal forces seem to dictate and rule the intellect like a dominatrix. Feelings are great to integrate and have full access to. But feelings have limits when analyzing the outside world. Feelings are part of the internal world of the self. They have no bearing on the outside world.
Feelings can mislead. I say this more than Art. He suggests that sometimes the intellect overthrows feelings and takes control. I say the feelings allow the intellect to take control with the condition it server their “needs” rather than understand reality as it truly is.
Ultimately, good science (a rarity, I grant) often has to depend on instruments to guide and interpret. The investigations are so counter0intuitive to the senses, that one can only proceed and solve by following each step indicated by the instruments, following the data path wherever it goes. Where you end up may not be what you expected. It is like this in criminal investigation and law as well.
Feelings can guide us well and the little devils can also lead us far astray. And because you are still bringing up those feelings, they may yet change you again and continue to. In fact, feelings have often led people away from PT. Ask Art! He will tell you.
So the careful step by step analysis is the only safe way to proceed. But the problem with it is that the feelings and needs may not like where that evidence is leading to. Do you go with the feelings or the objective consideration of the evidence?
You mention groups. Imagine a large group of psychopaths all drawn together to work for a common goal. It is a good one or bad one? If bad, they will not likely tell you what they are really up to. So you will have to figure it out for yourself and 2nd guess them.
You mention your head getting in the way. Is it the head or is it the feelings trying to lead you away from the head because they do not like the implications? Let me illustrate the 2 perspectives at war. When on the football field, when lines collide, its often total chaos. You are pushed from every position and hit from anyway and everywhere. You are too busy handling the guy right in front to know what is going on elsewhere in the field.
But way up in the upper seating, usually a closed in booth, are men taking pictures and sending them down to the coach so players can see what they could not see while playing. They need the feedback and knowledge of the while game to understand their part in it.
You got feeling raising hell like getting hit from 2 or 3 sides by linemen. You won’t be able to make sense till some of those linemen are taken from the field so that you only have to deal with one opponent and you can see the whole field clearly.
Right now, you got too much to cope with. Feelings will help heal and connect but they can’t solve many mysteries of the world. They solve the internal mysteries. Just my thinking.
Frank,
ReplyDeleteI would offer this. It is not easy to get to the top or high up. You have to convince many people that you really are one of them and dedicated to them and their cause. this may not be easily visible now. But in Roman times, it was very visible. The Patricians and the Senate ruled with an iron fist. Patricians could not marry Plebians (lower classes) so that they would not develop sympathies for the poor plebs.
Those at the top are least likely to change their minds. They are richly rewarded and brutally punished if they should defect. both serve as excellent glue to hold them where they are. I would rather try to take on a den of lions, myself.
And even if you could lead one away, all the rest would silence him or the whole movement. Remember that they have all the money and resources as well.
that this I say to all, if you doubt what I say about the money and how it took over the world, believe me, I can supply lots of actual data to remove any doubt or argument. the money trail is pretty much carved in stone. You got the guts? I got the data! Put your money where your mouth is. I'll take it from there.
There is an interesting book called "Universities and the Capitalist State." IN that book is precise and ample records showing takeovers and control by the major banking concerns. It can be found used on Amazon or inter-library loans from some Universities. And there are more of these types of books. But beware, you might need sleep with the light on, after reading them. Don't say I did not warn you. Truth is not for the weak or faint of heart.
Art:
ReplyDeleteApollo: Listen Bruce Wilson and Peter Prontzos are organizing a future foundation to promote primal. you can contact them if you wish to help. art janov
Art, where would I find them or contact them?
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