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Saturday, September 19, 2015
Ken Rose on "Life Before Birth". Part 4/6
KR: Yeah… Would you talk a little bit about anxiety?
JL: Yes, Dr. Janov has really fascinating things to say about anxiety. To begin with that anxiety is not a normal feeling. He talks about how we would see signs of anxiety in somebody who maybe stays on the phone for a really long time, and talks and talks but doesn’t listen, you try to talk back to them and they’re not hearing you. Or you make a grocery list and give it to somebody who has extreme anxiety and they’ll go to the grocery store and sort of forget everything that was on the list. Basically the way he explains this is through an idea called “gating.” What he’s saying is that in the brain, if it develops in the way it should and things are healthy, there’s sort of like a hierarchy and there is the cortical areas, the sort of upper level brain is able to repress certain things or certain lower level pains from constantly shooting up, but for somebody with high anxiety the barriers between different brain levels are too defused, so that pain is constantly shooting up, and it’s causing us nightmares and it’s creating difficulty sleeping and it’s creating this need to constantly release this sort of hyper energy, through talking, through constant movement. Dr. Janov refers to this as “leaky gates,” in other words you don’t have any control for this anxiety that keeps bubbling up, and that becomes very difficult.
KR: It should be said that anxiety is naked terror, and it has everything to do with the threat of death for the fetus. The felt threat of death.
JL: Right, and again, when he talks about anxiety and when he talks about depression too, all of this goes back to things that are happening in the womb. If I could just for a second read a little bit from the anxiety chapter because I think it’s helpful to what we’re talking about. “As I’ve discussed, the deepest level of brain function, rooted in the brainstem, is what I call the “first-line.” The inability to concentrate comes from massive pain input surging upwards from this region. When input is not properly gated, it disrupts the normal functioning of the neocortex. Poor gating, as I’ve said, can derive from any number of emotional and physiologic disruptions that occur during pregnancy: a carrying mother who is terribly anxious; a mother who takes drugs; a mother who does not eat enough or properly; a mother who is miserable due to the strain and hardship of a difficult life.
All of these gestational effects then emerge later on, this sort of terror that’s imprinted in the fetal system emerges later in life, and what happens is, it could be something that’s somewhat innocuous; like having to wait a long time in a restaurant for a table, but somebody who is prone to anxiety will react inordinately to something like that because these early primal imprints are surging upwards, so it’s in a way accessing the lower level pain and causing exaggerated reactions to things that are maybe stressful but shouldn’t be caused for extreme panic.
KR: Right, and these pains are always surging toward consciousness, to be consciously connected and felt, and have the energy sequence of the trauma run off. Which is why crying or deep crying is so healing. It’s the last stage of a fully conscious connection to something that was not fully conscious, and the pain is felt and expressed and finished.
JL: Exactly. Even further confirmation for some of the views of Janov, that maybe weren’t widely accepted for a time, it’s new research now being done into memory and what a lot of scientist are seeing, a lot of different studies is that memory reactivates the same neuroimpulses that were initially firing off when the event happened. So a traumatic event when you remember it, the act of remembering it is actually creating a neuromirrior of what went on initially. In a lot of ways that is what Primal Therapy is attempting to do; is to go back to that place and reconnect, or as it’s sometimes refer to, reconsolidate the brain state so that real haling can take place.
KR: Right. To bring the pain through the repression.
JL: Exactly, and that repressive lid, which he talks about a number of times is really what’s blocking a lot of people from access and Dr. Janov would talk about lifting the repressive lid, to allow those feelings to be remembered organically. And he makes an important point, when he’s talking about memory he’s not talking about recall, he’s not talking about as you would remember say; a famous poem that you would recite for class. He’s talking about very organic memory that is felt biologically. So in Primal Therapy when a patient would enter the primal zone there will be changes to their vital signs, there will be very observable changes in biologic functioning.
KR: He means literally reliving the trauma at the point that we split away from it, at the point where there was too much pain to feel at the time. So we split away from the pain. (Laughs) It’s so brilliant.
JL: Yes, because it’s essentially a matter of survival. This goes back again to the evolutionary foundation of a lot of his ideas, isn’t that we’re reacting, or that patients who are showing some of these symptoms are reacting against nature. It’s that they’re actually acting in the interest of survival at the time; they weren’t getting enough oxygen to the brain for example. A great example he talks about a well birth weight baby and how the size of their head compared to the body is disproportionate. Or the brain needs oxygen to function properly, so in the interest of survival the body will actually slow its growth, so that more of the nutrients and oxygen flow can reach the brain. Of course, that shows up as distinct physiologic changes and then by the same token if a feeling becomes too painful to bare it’ll sort of shut down and it will never get integrated and that’s what has to be corrected to make things right.
Art: Only this morning a woman know suddenly and unexpectedly changed her opinions on a huge subject on which we´d previously been in almost complete agreement. I wasn´t expecting it and it triggered big physiological reactions such as sweaty palms, butterflies in my stomach and so on. It also triggered a panoply of mental defences.
ReplyDeleteI decided not to struggle with her because I knew that my reactions were coming from elsewhere and were both dispropoprtionate and irrelevant to the actual situation. This was two hours ago and it is still deeply affecting me. Anxiety.
In a book written 70 years ago an American woman wrote "the Portuguese are great talkers but poor listeners". This is very true and from what you say above i indicates a lot of anxiety, like everywhere else. and like everywhere else, the Portuguese spend hours on ther mobiles. I could tell them about what this will do to their health - as I used to - but I know I´d be wasting my time. As you say, Primal pain - or need - always takes precedence. It´s prevalence means that the vast majority of the countless human habits and practices that are clearly irrational, even insane, are unrecognised as such. This is because those who might otherwise see them for what they are - which includes defences against early terror, manifesting as anxiety - are also blinded by their own neuroses against their own early pain. The Portuguese call what we would recognise as primal caused anxiety "Nerviosa".
In general only the most extreme forms are labelled "mad" or "crazy", but also as an insult by people who cannot argue their point. Hence I have been called "crazy" throughout my life bcause I am different to the norm. Some of this is undoubtedly neurotic, but much is due to deep reflection on how to live a happy life whilst also respecting other people and animals. For these reasons i eat only raw vegan, do very little shopping, never use a mobile, or DECT phone, or live near a transmitter mast, and live my life with complete respect and utmost sensitivity towards animals and children, Whilst cycling 500k every week salvaging stuff from skips tr recycle, donate or to feed my animals. So whilst my life harms vitually no living thing, and almost everyone harms living beings in some way, directly or indirectly, peoples primal pain makes them label me as "mad", or eccentric" or "uncompromisng". I could also say that this sort of defensiveness knee jerk reaction is "conditioning" but I think conditioning is largely a form of hypnosis which only people with primal pain are vulnerabe to. Education is hypnosis. So is advertising. And so on. in such cases, the critical faculty - intelligent, critical thought - is bypassed. If you know how, as educators and advertisers and governments everywhere do, the rest is easy. Gary
Hi Gary,
ReplyDelete-"I think conditioning is largely a form of hypnosis which only people with primal pain are vulnerable to. Education is hypnosis. So is advertising. And so on. in such cases, the critical faculty - intelligent, critical thought - is bypassed"-.
I agree; particularly the way fear is used. . . "Risk Aversion" is the outcome and people flock to their perceived sources of solace. . . Be it their job, mortgage, or whatever mainstream 'mainstay'. . . food, booze and drugs added to complete the 'menu' for those who don't have jobs, mortgages or caring families. It's still hard for me to see it as a conspiracy as some do. . . I hide away from most people now to the point of agoraphobia because I feel guilty for challenging what I now see as an 'ideology' based on the philosophy of scarcity. . . I personally don't want even a third of what others say they need and I feel guilty for not even being able to get it anyway. . . Madness to feel guilty for something you don't want because others do have it and you don't want to 'rock their boat'. . .
Paul G.
Paul: Right, right, right. Neurosis is at the root of it all, motivating both the manipulations of those in power and those over whom they have power. Along with inadequate/unnatural diet, mobiles/masts/Wifi, vaccinations and various other things, neurosis makes it very hard for people to think truly rationally and intelligently. I´m a lot better off than most because I know about these things, but still a long way short of psychobiological health due to my neurosis.
ReplyDeleteTo post primal patients I imagine - and to ever growing numbers of people in our age - this is becoming more and more clear. We see how shpeople are so easy to lead by the nose. Portuguese advertising is a good example as it is very crude. Nutritional supplements (every one is a major con) for example, are advertised by "beautiful" young female models showing plenty of cleavage and leg, with a centimetre of make up and a "smile" which would turn wine sour.Why? What has this to do with ground clam powder as a (completely false) cure for arthritis? It´s because advertising has used well proven mind control techniques for decades. Especially how to manipulate with hypnosis. Those people are not using bimbos to advertise shark cartilage because they are stupid. Cynical yes. Neurotic yes. But informed too. They use older men in medical garb with glasses and deep voices because they know this hooks directly into unconscious associations with authority figures. It convinces by hypnosis. The "attractive" bimbos are associated with pleasure. Irrational. A complete brain bypass. It´s sad but if you want to sell big time, the last thing you consider is appealing to people cerebral intelligence. Gary