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Thursday, January 29, 2015
Overdosing the Fetus and What that Means
Imagine you are taking your four year old child to a doctor. The doctor prescribes opiates for you for your anxiety and you give some to your child. You are 130 pounds and your baby is thirty. My oh my, you think how irresponsible, how terrible. It is criminal! But if I told you that one in four mothers might be doing that would you be shocked? Yes.
Well, a new study finds exactly what I am writing about. A report from the CDC (disease control) states that one-third of women of reproductive age have filled a prescription for opiate drugs in the last year, and every year for before that. So what does that mean? It means that drugged mothers in large numbers are giving birth. They describe these numbers as "astonishing". They believe it presents a great risk for birth defects, which I think is true. But there is a more subtle effect; that of down regulating the who biology. We need to know what percentage of these babies may not have obvious birth defects but are also much more vulnerable to depression. Think now: a 130 pound mother is stuffing herself with heavy drugs which reach a one pound fetus. Clearly there is a massive down regulation of so much of his physical system, from heart and liver to hormones and stress and energy levels. Then to make matters worse, there is a birth with again massive drugs given to the mother which affects the newborn; more down regulation. He has no chance. He is passive and lethargic, never has enough energy, has low blood pressure, perhaps a few allergies and cannot concentrate in school.
Ayayay; it is constant mystery to us all because no one realizes what those medications to the mother have done. The baby is heavily drugged before he is out on the world. We understand if the mother hands her baby drugs but few understand if she directly transmits them into her baby's system while he is living in the womb. She herself does not mean to but she doesn’t understand what she is doing. After all, no one can see it happening. And so the baby is sluggish and is a future depressive but it is a sub rosa event. Later, he cannot get out of bed to go to work; takes uppers and “speed” to get going, and we all run around trying to cure him of his depression. Oh and what do we do? Well now we give him uppers and find it helps. Or we give him LSD, as the new wonder drug because it temporarily lifts the depression; what it does is ease the depression by blasting open the cerebral gates. Of course, anything that eases the repressive gates, lashed into action with the aid of our own opiates during womb-life, is going to help.
It is not rocket science; we are fighting heavy repression, the base of depression. (see my article in the World Congress of Psychiatry 2013-14 on Depression http://www.activitas.org/index.php/nervosa/article/view/157). I still believe that given a healthy birth and gestation there is little reason to suffer terrible afflictions. Of course, heredity plays a role but not as great as we might think. Epigenetics plays the predominant role, in my opinion. We are dealing here with invisible forces that are not obvious to the eye so we ignore them. Anything that a carrying mother takes will affect the biology of the baby. It is a tiny little baby, helpless, trying desperately the escape the constant onslaught of a mother’s constant smoking and drinking with not great success. We need to teach that in schools so that students will not be so insouciant about it. While pregnant,the mother and child is as close as they ever will be again. Their biologies are very close so that the predominant state of the mother, anxious or depressed, will be reflected later on in the baby. Take care, friends, and be a good friend to your baby.
Hi Art,
ReplyDeleteI remember you saying in a much earlier post of yours that many years ago, when your generation were children, mothers were not given so many drugs and there simply weren't that many available to choose from either. It seems that yours and perhaps my parents longevity (my Dad still driving at 87) could well be attributable partly to the absence of fetal drugging back then.
Sadly, my son is the victim of methadone / heroine poisoning when he was a fetus and at last we have got past the wall of denial existing in the lower ranks of the NHS (and other agencies). He has been to see a senior pain specialist who has accepted he is down printed from prescribed methadone. He is also a victim of the stupid detox his mother was put through whilst she was pregnant with him. That is now illegal by the way. Further up the chain of 'command' they all know the facts. . .
Paul G.
Your post above pretty much describes his symptoms to a T. . . Hardly a day goes by without me ruminating about my part in his sorry downfall.
Hi,
DeleteI feel it may be appropriate to point out that I was father number 3, my son child number 4 and it didn't stop there. 7 kids in all by 4 fathers. She dragged me and my ex through court twice, abducted my son, used the other children to do it, lied, conned and manipulated until she died in 2006. The family have been in denial / trauma / PTSD / addiction ever since. The worst thing is that the authorities colluded completely with her highly intelligent manipulations and still are colluding even though she died 9 years ago.
It's endless. . . As above, so below, and here is muggins me picking up the pieces and fending off the bullshit.
Paul G.
How are we supposed to know about our jealousy when it is because we do not know about it?
ReplyDeleteThat we can murder in the wake of the impact is obvious when analyzing the scientific context and not least when we are feeling and experiencing how.
We are still at life-threatening experiences when someone we think we love leaves us. Love... something that was life-decisive around the need of our mother.
We experience ourselves as alone now as then... then we were exposed to unbearable pain of loneliness... pain we could not possibly endure... which we battle against eversince... something neocortex now... still interprets to be life-threatening and madness is a fact .
We must learn to respond correctly to what our neocortex announces... even for what professionalism can be deceptive.
Frank
Frank, the point I think you are making is that someone goes violent when his love wants to leave because early on, when mother left, it was life endangering. You must get help with your english. art
Deleteas adults, is it worse to lose imagined love or real love?
Deleteneurotic love includes defense from catastrophic reality.
losing real love is not a catastrophe. i imagine.
i think jealousy can easily resonate womb life. it is really awful.
one on one is the most demanding and rewarding relationship, i imagine.
it really takes courage for it. the whole brain.
Frank, there is probably a leaning curve for the system to start using neo cortex as a
part of integration instead a part of a defense. you know it better then i do. your language is powerful.
Hi vuko,
DeleteI really like your post and I agree on your three points, if I may embellish a little:
-"is it worse to lose imagined love or real love"?
I doubt it is often either / or. A bit of both mostly, I think. Perhaps that's one of many issues the three week intensive will help to clarify, so one can start from the the right station for you (and not some other lovers).
-"one to one is the most demanding and rewarding relationship"-. I think jealously comes from wounding in that primary relationship and then infects later relationships where loyalty is at stake and betrayal becomes inevitable. . .
-"leaning curve for the system to start using neo cortex as a
part of integration instead a part of a defense"-. How very well put.
Paul G.
vuko & Paul,
DeleteI pause in the room... looking out the window... then ceases my cognitive activity. Like a boundary is blurring out and I experience a "euphoria"... like a need that I do not know where it belongs. An emptiness manifests itself. My tears flowing down my cheeks... loneliness and re loneliness until memories around tragic circumstances are visualized. "Dad we have never talked to each other and now you're gone... gone forever DAD".
As through a curve... I have arrived for what I suffer.
Frank
Paul, a thought
Deleteit could take roughly three weeks to make acquaintance with therapy.
and about a year to truly start believing the primal process.
i am thinking, John Lennon needed just some more time.
i am not sure if i believe anything i write or read. but i keep doing it. do i doubt anything fully? is there a cure for this mess? to be sure of something without the need to prove it. and be open to explore it further. this sureness. can we fake it? i hope at least a therapist would see it even before it happens! prevent it.
i missed a moment with one person. i felt a bit of her and got scared instead to ask more about it. i think i missed another one few days ago with another person…and another one... this therapy could work, people want it but they probably just keep stumbling upon people like me. i miss myself i guess.
Hi vuko,
Delete-"it could take roughly three weeks to make acquaintance with therapy.
and about a year to truly start believing the primal process"-.
Yes I agree. My main point about the three week intensive is that without this disciplined 'retreat' one could easily start from the same old, same old station and spend years on the wrong track. I have realised that love relations as an adult can easily provoke access in the wrong place, ie: the wrong station and therefore result in endless abreaction.
As a previous poster said: "one might not notice until one had experienced the subtle tell tale signs often enough". . . words to that effect. This is a conclusion I was coming to under my own steam with my own insights and only the teensiest bit of 'advice' from others who have posted subtle and supportive messages. . . Thanks to all those who did that.
Let me share some more of MY OWN insight:
It is possible to be properly betrayed in later life by the 'most well meaning' of people. It can then turn into a game of "who's got the strongest gates". But only the person who has come into contact with Primal theory and seriously considered their own hidden agendas would truly understand this 'injustice'.
'Target of denial' then becomes a much more appropriate description of one's dilemma than 'victim of abuse'. . . So my conclusion to this conclusion is that abreaction may be the only way to begin to see how one put oneself in the firing line of other people's denial.
I learned to do this from my parents. Basically I kept on challenging their denial and was met by further denial; so it's hardly surprising I have found myself repeating and repeating and repeating until. . .
Yours sincerely,
Paul G.
Paul, your english is too... complicated for me, sometimes. so many phrases for me. i really struggle to understand all your references you use to help express yourself. sorry. not being my native language doesn't help too. hopefully i learn...and my concentration is not the best.
Deleteregarding your first paragraph> yes, relations in general are a good trigger. there is a need at the root of many of them, i guess.... growing neocortex in combination with "failed" relationship is a interesting combination. it is not a bad thing if one can be reserved at the beginning of retreat. slowly...
ahh i struggle with the rest of your text.
and writing mine ))
the weight of the baby at birth is not a precise index for deprivation in the womb. it also depends on genetics, right? if baby's genetic need was to be 4kg but resulted 2.6kg it could be worse than if the other baby ratio was 2.8/2.1kg?
ReplyDeletei watched CFI documentary from the 60's about how non civilized people from different continents treated their newborns to the age 1. babies were never punished. it was few years ago, but i remember how woman from some african tribe was watching over her baby while the baby was sleeping. she explained that if the baby wakes up and there is no one around, baby could get very scared. i wouldn't be surprised if they new perfectly about the effect of neglect during critical period to their senior members later... wonder how they treat their pregnant women, how they give birth... it all strongly and immediately affects their community. is everybody allowed to have kids?
to me it is interesting how early traumatized organism can have several different outcomes. the unresolved pain kills within a range of years, range of behavior, range of suffering, experiences...i think it all makes the diagnose more difficult, the connection more miraculous. and another human more indispensable as a therapeutic help. among other attributes, human with a good sense of "smell" and readiness to change the direction fast. towards the source.
The consequence of that we believe in God makes us "perfect" and science is lost but a science that has made many crazy and we believe in god. It is a consequence.
ReplyDeleteFrank
Our need of love is an outcry!
ReplyDeleteWe "loves" our mom and dad it is a biologically sworn law as the basis of life. That we can not opt out parents when we are small due to lack of love... it's a physical scourge and we are doomed to a life of lovelessness... we suffocate in our bud if it was not for the discovery of Janov:s Primal Therapy?
Frank