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Monday, August 9, 2010
Making a Nightmare into a Nightmare
You know, when I run the schools of psychology, which ought to be never, I would insist that students learn a minimum of neurology so that they do not concoct theories that fly in the face of how the brain works. It is not that neurology will offer up psychological insights, but that it will dictate what you must not invent. A case in point: the NY Times just ran a piece entitled, Therapy Takes the Terror Out Of Nightmares (also in Intn’l Herald Tribune July 27/10). It is the brainchild of Dr. Krakow of the Sleep Clinic at Maimonide’s Sleep Arts Center. What he has decided to do to take the force out of nightmares is give the person a new script. So what does he do? He offers a script that is more “normal” and less frightening. So the dangerous enemy becomes a friendly ghost. “We call that a new dream,” he says. It is known as dream mastery. But wait a minute, is the dream just the symbol or is it also the terrible feeling? When you master a dream it should be all of it, unless you are once again skimming the surface.
OK, so where is that dream coming from? Is it just a whim by the person? Something that can be change so easily? Or does it come from the depths of our consciousness, or unconsciousness? I have written enough now to indicate that deep sleep where much of the terror lies is on what I call the first-line. It has to do with sensations of terror, rage and murder, being crushed, suffocated, chased, etc. These are imprints from traumas that happened while we lived life in the womb, or at birth and just after. They are registered low in the neuraxis and later form the feeling/sensation stuff of nightmares. They tell us that there are dark matter down there that must be dealt with. The nightmare is the topmost element, the verbal and image we put on it. It is not the nightmare per se. It is the effluvia of the feeling, the intellectual part we ascribe to it. The feelings are imprinted which accounts for the obsessive, compulsive and repetitive nature of the nightmare. They are part of our nature, our biology and must be understood as such.
This mastery theory is another nonsense by the cognitive school, sold by intellectuals who do not understand about feelings and their nature in our biologic economy. So when they concoct a new scenario, and it is exactly the cognitive therapy applied to dream sleep, where we provide a new more wholesome scenario for your bad and naughty thoughts. Do they think our dreams and nightmares are just capriciousness? Do we make them out of whole cloth or do they fill an important function in our neurologic functioning? What they do is help patients adopt a new outlet for the very same sensations/feelings. And what happens to those feelings? Do they go away? No. Imprints never go away until resolved. Their pressure then leads to high blood pressure, headaches and all sorts of maladies perhaps leading to serious ailments such as cancer. They pressure always remains and drives us. Yes we can choose a nice thought but that is literally icing on the cake. It has no effect on the lower level feelings. But those feelings have a lot of effect on images on thoughts provided by higher nerve centers. We could provide endless new scenarios that would change nothing. Worse, it is being used on combat fatigue and trauma of war. They are simply providing a better defense. And that is what cognitive therapy is: better defenses provided by those who have better defenses and who apotheosizes defenses as the "nec plus ultra". These professionals have the imprimatur and cachet of major research centers and are more likely to be believed. That makes them all the more dangerous. What are they doing? Trying to influence and dissuade biologic processes. First, we need to understand what those are and what role they play in our physiology. Maybe they are normal, necessary and absolutely essential. They should not be summarily altered at our whim. Certainly not by someone who skims along the top and ignores what our bodies are doing and what they need. They are using it for rape victims. I have treated many rape victims; their pain is beyond belief and has to be relived over months and months. There is no shortcut for that. None. Here we are again, rearranging the furniture on the Titanic while there are big holes in the hull. Jesus! Wake up!
Doctor Janov,
ReplyDeleteI like the english word "control freak" because it describes so well what this kind of psychlogist is trying to do to his patients. Let's think about a doctor saying to his patient after discovering he has cancer that he can cure heart attacks and he wants his patient to believe that he is bound to have a stroke. It sounds a bit like in a Molière play...It could be funny if it wasn't real.
It sounds a bit like dealing with bridge builders who refuse to believe that Force = mass x acceleration. We already know that dreams are the end-point rationalisation for lower-level feelings of which originate in the lower brains. Trying to change the dream (at the end-point level) is the same as trying distract yourself from the feeling - and, of course that's what cognitive therapy is about.
ReplyDeleteDo cognitive therapists tell their patients that they are resolving their feelings when they "think forced happy thoughts", or do they tell them they are only successfully [maybe?] blocking their pain? Maybe change can begin with honest representation.
Yann: You know, when doctors cannot themselves feel they adopt a therapy that amounts to the same thing. aj
ReplyDeleteThe discovery of Primal Pain was, IMO, the greatest discovery mankind ever made: reason--we now know enough about ourselves to change everything. The ensuing formulation of Primal Theory is the only psychological theory since Freud and until and unless it is acknowledged most psychological experiments are an effort in futility. The reason, IMO, that a non-feeling (neurotic) medical, psychological and sociological professions attack Primal Therapy and it's efficacy in order to circumvent looking at Primal Theory. History (if we are to have one) will, IMO, view these professions in the same light as the Papacy (the ruling authority of their time) when looking at the Copernicus/Galileo theory of the heavens. The world is a changing--rapidly and many are proposing righting the wrongs. Most of us are scared of the consequences, but putting a positive spin on it, never did,or ever will, change reality. The only 'reality' (for each of us), IMO, is what we "feel". Attempting to 'think-out' reality will leave us with six billion answers.
ReplyDeleteAndrew, I asked my cognitive therapist that exact question. He told me the cognitive therapy, in my case, was just "a few tricks to help me cope" because that is all I asked for. He said the behavioural therapy (exposure to the things I avoid) is where "more substantial changes can be made". He also told me that finding the source of the pain is like peeling back the layers of an onion. He said we reach a point where it becomes impossible to understand ultimate causes, and that it wasn't actually necessary to reach that level of understanding.
ReplyDeleteHe was never able to give me a proper answer to any of my very clear and specific questions. I liked him but he didn't know what he was talking about. He knew how to ask me many questions, ask me to fill out forms, ask me to choose a place to sit, prompt me to give a reaction to this and that....the techniques might seem impressive to someone who has never read anything about primal theory. But there were no answers to my questions.
Dr Janov writes: "Jesus! Wake up!" Mankind is just waking up on all fronts very very slowly (environmental, human rights, psychological, etc..).I find this all hard to stomach, living amongst human beings where so many are still so unconscious , right up to utter fascist cruelty.Yesterday, I was flipping through a new book about Monsanto, a massive multi-national involved in the food trade.I mean, they and most farmers are just raping the earth. And they feel nothing about it.Obviously ,all farming should be organic, the health of the topsoil should be maintained , animals should not be raised with cruelty in farm factories , etc.. But the powers-that-be don't get this! Jesus! wake up! But they generally are not (yet?) waking up. I find this hard to take, living in a world so demented and ignorant.
ReplyDeleteMarco
This «dream mastery» technique certainly sounds like more repression and further away from the reality. It is shame, especially since better techniques, even outside of Primal Therapy approach, has been in existence for many years. I have read an article about «dreams taming», many years ago. Instead of «programming» the brain to change the dream in a more pleasant one, they were programming it to «fight» whatever frightening situation in these recurring dreams. That one lady was describing how she could successfully confront the monster who was always coming back into her nightmares. Instead of running, she turned around and started telling the monster to stop frightening her. Apparently, the big monster deflated to a point where the lady could recognized the shadow of her own mother in the door of the bedroom, when she was a child. As a result, this recurring nightmare never came back. Sounds to me like having some sort of primal in our sleep and getting some positive result from it.
ReplyDeleteCharles-Gilles Massé
Charles-Gilles: It is rearranging the furniture on the Titanic again. art janov You cannot manipulate the brain into sanity.
ReplyDeleteThe lady could express her feelings to the monster while in her dream, which is closer to her reality and seem to got her closer to the source of her fear.
ReplyDeleteMay I ask how you are dealing with these kind of recurrent nightmares in Primal Therapy?
Charles-Gilles: First, read Primal Healing and The Biology of Love by me to understand more about this. Nightmares are the psychotic episodes while we sleep. Bad dreams are the neurotic style and represent neurosis while sleeping. We always use the symbols to get the patient back into the FEELING of the dream because that is the real feeling inside the symbols and will lead the patient to his or her imprint. The symbols have no other importance and do not need to be analyzed forever. That is tantamount to psychoanalysis, talking feelings and their symbols to death. Feeling is what it is about. art janov
ReplyDeleteDear Art,
ReplyDeleteI must confess: I skipped «Primal Healing». But I have read: «Le Cri Primal», «Biology of love», “The Primal Revolution», «Primal Man» and «Le corps se souvient» (I may be missing one or two). I also had Primal Therapy at the Primal Institute in New York, beginning in April 1979. I’m using the primal technique when needed ever since. Of the several hundred primals I had, many were dreams related. I had primals in session where a «troubling» dream was the main trigger. I did primal at night after being awakened by a dream. I sometimes started primalling in my sleep because I had realized I was dreaming and was able to started expressing the feeling related to the dream, and continue the primal once awake. I even had complete primals while sleeping without waking up. I know it because in a few cases, later on in the day, something happened that made me remember of the dream and the primal I had. So, with all due respect, I don’t think I need to read your two books «…to understand more about this …». I do agree that the feeling is everything and that the brain will use anything, object or person, to build up a scene in which the feeling will be felt.
Now, I would like to come back to your reply to my first comment: «It is rearranging the furniture on the Titanic again. art janov You cannot manipulate the brain into sanity.»
May I suggest that you read again carefully my comment? In the technique I was describing, the suggestion was that the dreamer would «confront» her monster instead of just running away. I was saying it was similar to Primal; you called that: «… manipulate the brain…»
Notice this is very different than making believe that the «monster» is in fact «a friend» or some other form of denial. The lady, in confronting her monster will need to express her feelings, hereby increasing the likelihood of a connection. The connection is even more probable that it is being done in a sleeping state, when some cognitive defenses are lowered.
I think a similar process would be done using the primal technique, would it not? Relax, describe the scene in the dream, get back there as much as possible, let yourself go back into the feeling, etc. Whatever the precise style of primalling is, at one point, to «… get back to the FEELING of the dream…», the patient will need to «… TALK TO THE MONSTER!… or DO TO THE MONSTER WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO!»
Then please explain: why expressing feelings while sleeping is «brain manipulation» and doing it in a primal session is not?
Charles-Gilles Massé