tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post7241630423903103898..comments2024-02-11T18:16:53.445-08:00Comments on Janov's Reflections on the Human Condition: The Simple Truth is Revolutionary: My Life: The Early Primal YearsArthur Janovhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16709863014923629409noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-48663984702453977722017-02-04T22:44:43.841-08:002017-02-04T22:44:43.841-08:00Really great reading about the Lennon primal thing...Really great reading about the Lennon primal thing. Still exerts a fascination for me. Reliable information from that period is sparse. Lennon is supposed to have written a song for Ellen.<br /><br />On a pedantic note though, since Ellen was born April 22nd 1953 and a junior at Rexford High in 1969, she would've been 17 in 1970 (and Rick, 14).Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06245249289328854197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-91164061279540103762017-02-02T13:32:27.510-08:002017-02-02T13:32:27.510-08:00Hi Art,
most people just don't want to know a...Hi Art,<br /><br />most people just don't want to know and Primal promotes itself through your books anyway, so actually you do know how to promote. But it's only the people who are looking who read your books and find it. Those who are waiting for a doctor to 'diagnose & treat' them are still waiting for a bus that will never arrive. For now, I am not at the right bus stop either but at least I know it. Currently trying to remember how I got here. . .<br /><br />Paul G. Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02006514330039884557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-2681867156851812292017-02-01T16:57:10.063-08:002017-02-01T16:57:10.063-08:00Yes, I have known about Bernays. Thanks, Art
Yes, I have known about Bernays. Thanks, Art<br />Arthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-82872120595453711422017-02-01T16:55:50.804-08:002017-02-01T16:55:50.804-08:00I was gone by then as I know nothing about it. Art...I was gone by then as I know nothing about it. ArtArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-30172302858642525132017-02-01T16:54:33.945-08:002017-02-01T16:54:33.945-08:00Oh boy do I know about that. I can fill a book wit...Oh boy do I know about that. I can fill a book with all the threats and threatened attacks. ArtArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-11732510258933297232017-02-01T16:53:22.976-08:002017-02-01T16:53:22.976-08:00Paul, Through no fault of my own the therapy is in...Paul, Through no fault of my own the therapy is in the shadows. I never learned how to promote. ArtArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-69920397466424578492017-02-01T13:03:11.338-08:002017-02-01T13:03:11.338-08:00Hi Art,
you may have heard of Edward Bernays, the...Hi Art,<br /> you may have heard of Edward Bernays, the nephew of Sigmund Freud. He developed 'PR' as a direct outshoot from the theories of the unconscious of those times.<br /><br />There is a very good documentary series by the English journalist Adam Curtis called 'Century Of The Self' in which much of what you allde to here is discussed in terms of the political manipulations that came out from Freud and Bernays. It's very good and available on U Tube:<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ3RzGoQC4s<br /><br />I think this link should be the right one, if it's not just Google Century of the Self by Adam Curtis.<br /><br />It seems so appropriate to your post above.<br /><br />Paul G. Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02006514330039884557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-76948067911343500262017-02-01T12:37:49.469-08:002017-02-01T12:37:49.469-08:00That was the arson in June 1989. There's a sho...That was the arson in June 1989. There's a short article in the LA Times archive.Trevorhttp://cigognenews.blogspot.co.nznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-72541527417076474732017-01-31T20:45:54.324-08:002017-01-31T20:45:54.324-08:00Hi Sheri & Andrew,
The mere thought of discus...Hi Sheri & Andrew,<br /><br />The mere thought of discussing Primal with Donald Trump makes me feel sick.<br /><br />It's hard enough getting past the denial of ordinary neurotics (like myself). I think I'd rather chew off my own leg.<br /><br />My experience of people with 'personality disorders' is limited but I certainly have met them and had the unfortunate experience on the 'receiving end'. They are all so 'out there' they are totally blind to human motives beyond those base instincts that drive them. Power, sex, money, riches, fame etc etc and they believe all people should be like it too.<br /><br />I do have experience of 'borderline cases' such as my brother and father who persist in believing what psychos tell them to believe in accord with their own neurotic denial.<br /><br />That surely is how the psychos control many of us? <br /><br />I genuinely fear what the powerful psychopathic elite know about epigenetics and neurosis, surely they know how we respond to threats? Governments have very well informed psychologists and psychiatrists working for them; advising and helping the elite keep control. . .<br /><br />I would prefer Primal remained in the shadows for this reason alone. But it has been said that only the seeker finds the truth and the truth for the psychos is all out there, never inside. A distinctly two edged sword.<br /><br />Paul G.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02006514330039884557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-36445849252640869862017-01-31T19:14:57.410-08:002017-01-31T19:14:57.410-08:00Don't know the details, but heard it may have ...Don't know the details, but heard it may have been a disgruntled patient who tried several times to get a fire going. <br /><br />Dealing with mental health sufferers is dangerous - with attacks on hospital staff, domestic killings, retirement home killings, police ambushes. Lots of pain out there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-29092453191557345822017-01-31T07:37:18.776-08:002017-01-31T07:37:18.776-08:00I mean that beside you I know only one person who ...I mean that beside you I know only one person who was on similiar path it was Alice Miller. You just told straight what it is all about. No cheating and false ideas, just true.Katarzynahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17911400318077957562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-40392100786573695512017-01-30T22:01:38.326-08:002017-01-30T22:01:38.326-08:00I was no longer there but I heard about it. What w...I was no longer there but I heard about it. What was it about? ArtArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-10340311665832911862017-01-30T19:18:41.178-08:002017-01-30T19:18:41.178-08:00Hi Art,
Do you remember a fire at the Primal Inst...Hi Art,<br /><br />Do you remember a fire at the Primal Institute - early 1980's?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-64622432427837825542017-01-30T09:26:33.447-08:002017-01-30T09:26:33.447-08:00An email comment:
"As Spock said to Captain K...An email comment:<br /><em>"As Spock said to Captain Kirk: "I have been, and always shall be, your friend."<br /><br />And frankly, I cannot feel anything special about that as I can't imagine anyone who is at all honest with themselves who wouldn't say exactly the same regarding having known you in any sense, especially those who have known you personally.<br /><br />I tend to preach off shoots of things you say to everyone I feel I can talk to, endorsing emotional intelligence classes in our schools, more research into PTSD and coordinating such research with your theories and practices. I was also impressed that you feel as I do about having a more socialistic society. I was an avid supporter of Bernie Sanders for that reason. However, I agree with you that systems of government alone can't change things without a concurrent change in the health of individuals.<br /><br />France seems to be one wonderful country. I hope they gain greater influence in the world.<br /><br />You are both so lucky to have found each other, and anyone who works with you two are equally blessed. It feels so strange not knowing how to address these letters, and I assume someone looks them over before submitting them for any review to protect needed time. So, I will simply say that I wish all of your wonderful team the very best always.<br /><br />I seem to listen sometimes to a music I can't hear, and it is so beautiful it brings tears to my eyes, and when I think of you guys, and your team, I find those same feelings.<br /><br />Hey, at the risk of being corny and with the hope of some small effect of humor, I say "Live long and prosper." ;)"</em>Arthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-85542822438295260432017-01-30T00:19:25.141-08:002017-01-30T00:19:25.141-08:00Andrew, I'm wondering if Trump has any interes...Andrew, I'm wondering if Trump has any interest in psychology at all. He once said in an interview that he didn't spend anytime in reflection about himself, that he was afraid he might not like what he found.Sherihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03600090931780217359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-70871389361614789962017-01-29T21:10:55.281-08:002017-01-29T21:10:55.281-08:00I guess you mean who told the trust. Art.I guess you mean who told the trust. Art.Arthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-54596823352465647902017-01-29T21:10:00.889-08:002017-01-29T21:10:00.889-08:00Thanks Piotr but your message is not clear. ArtThanks Piotr but your message is not clear. ArtArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-42317673193549390772017-01-29T21:06:31.980-08:002017-01-29T21:06:31.980-08:00I will, I will. ArtI will, I will. ArtArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-24393408493829677402017-01-29T16:40:44.277-08:002017-01-29T16:40:44.277-08:00Amazing story, Art.
Thanks for writing it.
I d...Amazing story, Art.<br /><br />Thanks for writing it. <br /><br /><br />I did not see my parents for the last 10 yrs of their lives.<br /><br />And rarely talked to them. I was mad and crazy. I had a multitude of functional disorders. I could barely work. <br /><br />I was so sick from PTSD (the trauma from beatings) in child hood, (that I was barely hanging on to life) that I did not go to their funerals in 2007.<br /><br /><br />And if I was not sick, I would not have felt like going in any event.<br /><br />It was almost 2000 miles away.<br /><br />Mom was ok, but it was Dad who inflicted all the violence.<br /><br />Dad was hard on mom too. <br /><br />Dad's parents were from Ukraine.<br /><br />From the little bits of information I picked up through life, I gathered that he was beaten too, and now that I know what mental disorders are and what causes them, and how to read people, (see, read and understand symptoms) I know that he was suffering from his own mental disorders. Nothing went right for him in life. It was failure after failure. He tried to do everything with force. <br /><br />Example:<br />We lived on a cattle farm. He could never make the cattle do what he wanted them to do. When my brothers, I and dad were working with the cattle, the cattle would never cooperate. We would be having a crazy wild rodeo with nothing going right, and cattle escaping and rebelling. After a few hrs we would give up and would have to call mom from the house to help. When she would come, the cattle would calm down, and she would talk to them and get the cattle to do what ever she wanted them to do and the work was all done well within the hour in good order. <br /><br />David<br />Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08244698465989773529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-54587367544145346222017-01-29T09:33:24.021-08:002017-01-29T09:33:24.021-08:00I know that I repaeat myself but before you I have...I know that I repaeat myself but before you I haven't know someone who told true. Katarzynahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17911400318077957562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-31937501857702002372017-01-29T08:53:33.613-08:002017-01-29T08:53:33.613-08:00I have always been so fraudulently confident... bu...I have always been so fraudulently confident... but to survive... how would it have been if I had not?<br /><br />FrankFrankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02242354226308728116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-11786315842258388792017-01-29T01:03:04.057-08:002017-01-29T01:03:04.057-08:00Thanks for this fascinating & informative read...Thanks for this fascinating & informative read, Art. As I've said before, a full biography would be wonderful, if you ever get to it.<br /><br />Erronraindoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09714998714610881831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-68417738900257179592017-01-28T23:13:24.051-08:002017-01-28T23:13:24.051-08:00Art,
Maybe your capacity for originality comes fr...Art,<br /><br />Maybe your capacity for originality comes from giving up on 'measuring up' to your parents, because they didn't and wouldn't care anyway...so rather than becoming a 'typical conservative', you went another way....if I may speculate? (And I think I'm describing myself in part with that. I hardly cared what my parents thought, positive or negative, especially as a late teen).<br /><br />Anyway! I think I might have suggested it before, but have you tried to talk with Donald Trump?... promoting the idea of focusing on supporting good childcare in the earliest stages, as a national initiative? Trump is not as dumb as he looks, and has an instinct for people who are and are not worth listening to. He also has shown sincere interest in the issue of mental sickness. He understands how important it is at least.Andrew D Atkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04492591375757227409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-2595885321727147232017-01-28T22:56:41.126-08:002017-01-28T22:56:41.126-08:00What a shame to be in the grips of someone who had...What a shame to be in the grips of someone who had mental illness. Art<br />Arthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-34186004177016160872017-01-28T22:54:11.908-08:002017-01-28T22:54:11.908-08:00Well, thank you. ArtWell, thank you. ArtArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.com