tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post6699170169405405102..comments2024-02-11T18:16:53.445-08:00Comments on Janov's Reflections on the Human Condition: The Simple Truth is Revolutionary: In the Airtight Grasp of the IntellectualsArthur Janovhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16709863014923629409noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-39036939007933132552011-08-15T14:28:01.648-07:002011-08-15T14:28:01.648-07:00Addressing Kaz Post
Yes, this backs up what I say...Addressing Kaz Post<br /><br />Yes, this backs up what I say. People who are desperate and have not fared well to that point. These are good candidates for therapy and healing. they are not good candidates for intellectual analyzing or reasoning. the left cortex needs a calm serene state in order to function adequately. the calm is often achieved by blocking pain or compartmentalizing. Those whose gates are weak can not do this.<br /><br />So they need to be fully integrated (if possible) before they can spare the intellect the serenity it requires go reason objectively and sort things out in the outside world as well as within.<br /><br />So I guess I am going to have to resort to some elitism. I hate to but am forced to. only certain minds (all 3 levels) have the tools and ability to think at certain levels. but . . . common sense should be within grasp of nearly anyone. when something is suggest, it usually comes down to just a few key points that we can all decide on, hopefully.apollohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02040184843184207525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-71605760567065738332011-08-14T17:28:13.248-07:002011-08-14T17:28:13.248-07:00"In the Airtight Grasp of the Intellectuals&q..."In the Airtight Grasp of the Intellectuals"<br /><br /><br />Dr. Janov, forget the intellectuals. Observing some very effective Dr.'s from health fields in getting their message out, it looks like change from the top down is futile. <br /><br />There was a beautiful description on who the focus is effective in a previous article:<br /><br />http://cigognenews.blogspot.com/2010/09/on-training-in-psychology-and.html<br /><br /><br />"It has to hit you in the gut. And who does it hit there? Those who suffer. Those who are close to feelings. Those who cannot make it, who are constantly depressed and anxious. They understand my theory right away and come from 26 countries for the therapy."Kazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00688350964818932862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-55899672068027422562011-08-12T10:17:16.319-07:002011-08-12T10:17:16.319-07:00Dr. Janov,
I asked the same question.
Her explan...Dr. Janov,<br /><br />I asked the same question.<br /><br />Her explanation was that God will guide her on the right path toward healing and kosher food keeps her body healthy. <br /><br />If this is supposed to help you, I asked, why have you seen a therapist?<br /><br />She answered: Because every psychiatrist believes, and I need to talk about my problems. <br /><br />I asked again: How long will it take for God to heal you? She said: in His good time – we need to suffer first for our sins.<br /><br />This is the time to back off; otherwise the whole bible is pulled over you and no amount of science will convince her. <br />SieglindeS. W. Alexanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12087227301358286386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-19477981404385420852011-08-11T13:38:03.034-07:002011-08-11T13:38:03.034-07:00The bible and kosher food. Am I missing something...The bible and kosher food. Am I missing something? AJArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-46838484271339487052011-08-10T15:10:07.484-07:002011-08-10T15:10:07.484-07:00Richard,
You are so right – and I know too.
Her ...Richard,<br /><br />You are so right – and I know too.<br /><br />Her pressure cooker exploded twice in the past 6 years and she was admitted in to psychiatric care. <br /><br />It has not helped, telling her about PT. I led her to Dr. Janov's website and I gave her my Janov books. She returned them a few days ago without reading. <br />She went to a CT therapist, because her insurance paid for it.<br /><br />Her other help, as she told me, is reading the Bible and eating kosher food. <br /> <br />What else can I say, what else can I do, if person seek repression over insight. Nothing really...<br /><br />SieglindeS. W. Alexanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12087227301358286386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-29090843368876032892011-08-09T16:45:38.706-07:002011-08-09T16:45:38.706-07:00Sieglinde your friend is a pressure cooker. she l...Sieglinde your friend is a pressure cooker. she loosened up just enough to release a tiny jet of steam. then her lid tightened again. if she could keep releasing steam for a thousand years it would make no difference. there is a gas burner hidden underneath and it has been silently raging for all of her life. <br /><br />a jet of steam is not a sign of healing. she needs help to access the fire; the CAUSE of the feeling. until she can feel the fire there will be no healing.<br /><br />'wannabes' (that's a compliment) have a romantic perception of feelings. they like to think that all feelings have a curative quality. they are happy to see ANY expression of feeling, whether it be small or big. chances are, if it is small it is abreaction, and if it is big it is psychosis. neither are curative.Richard Atkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13587935146938446604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-3983496653483401082011-08-09T07:36:52.943-07:002011-08-09T07:36:52.943-07:00An email comment:
"THIS is one of your PRIZE ...An email comment:<br /><i>"THIS is one of your PRIZE letters...THANK you!!! It's wisdom like this that feeds my soul, giving me courage to carry on and face my own challenges...challenges of my right brain within the safety of my own home. Once again...thanks!"</i>Arthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-35335153962078648322011-08-08T11:53:26.149-07:002011-08-08T11:53:26.149-07:00Great update Art, A good repeat of the basic conce...Great update Art, A good repeat of the basic concepts, realities, that Primal Therapy is based upon. Realities every baby knows, but developing children are forced to ignore. Sincerely, ...OscarAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-85762641916720067262011-08-08T02:12:50.293-07:002011-08-08T02:12:50.293-07:00We live in two rooms of ourselves… one of pain and...We live in two rooms of ourselves… one of pain and the other how to avoid it.<br /><br />FrankFrankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02242354226308728116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-80302338494712707002011-08-08T02:11:56.325-07:002011-08-08T02:11:56.325-07:00Life is no further away than we are experiencing a...Life is no further away than we are experiencing at the moment ... but our thoughts are.<br /><br />FrankFrankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02242354226308728116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-13701870726662539442011-08-07T21:05:22.974-07:002011-08-07T21:05:22.974-07:00Art, you forgot another reason why we appear to be...Art, you forgot another reason why we appear to be in the grasp of the cognitive bunch. PT is rare, and requires money, and a long term commitment to healing and there is no guarantee of success since the patient may not be sincere in the 1st place and be their own worst enemy. So some take cognitive therapy as a last or only resort. Personally, I could not stand CT. I’d rather go it on my own that that.<br /><br />I see you do not like my theory that pain controls the intellect. You still seem to insist that the intellect can take over all by itself. Yet you do avoid showing why you say Pain rules and then does not rule. This is clearly a contradiction you do not want to resolve. That much is clear.<br /><br />I agree that P therapy needs to feel, not think. That is only within therapy. On the outside, we still need the cortex. Of course, learning to feel takes place both inside and out, that new language you refer to. But many here simply reject all logic and reason. You do not disagree with them or correct them. So they become more convinced by the day.<br /><br />Art >> Never develop profound understanding because that kind of understanding only comes with a plunge into the depths, the antipodes of the unconscious.<br /><br />I wonder how far off those depths are. You say we can not develop profound insights without the depths. I say that profound insight is possible whether its primalling out all pain or another way to sort of probe. But whatever, I am not convinced of your dogmatic assertion. It would only take one anomaly to prove you wrong but how do you prove an anomaly when the boss says it can not exist. Its lie the government denying patents that violate the laws of physics, their official physics, of course. Rigging the game is not science, though.<br /><br />Art >> Our goal should be to produce feeling human beings, not mental giants.<br /><br />Can you have one without the other? If the world collapses and implodes, what good will PT be to anyone? If pain is a sort of entropy, can we really crawl out of the hole we are in? Unbridled optimism is nice, but not certain to be the outcome wished for. Pain could overwhelm us as a species and take us all out. Tat is a real possibility but many PT fans will dare not go down that road.apollohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02040184843184207525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-3588895009815212632011-08-07T19:10:04.180-07:002011-08-07T19:10:04.180-07:00A bad feeling is not a demon. It is a caged angel...A bad feeling is not a demon. It is a caged angel. You need to release it properly so that it can guide you to good health.<br /><br /><br />\<br />\<br />|<br />|<br />|<br />V<br /><br />Bad therapy puts more angels in the cage.Richard Atkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13587935146938446604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-30061885524243151462011-08-07T18:22:28.183-07:002011-08-07T18:22:28.183-07:00Dr. Janov,
I laughed out loud reading this sentenc...Dr. Janov,<br />I laughed out loud reading this sentence:<br />“I submit that psychotherapy has been in the grasp of intellectuals who went to school to learn about feelings, and that learning prevented any understanding of those feelings”.<br /><br />Just yesterday, a friend told me that she finished 40 hours CT. <br />Then she said: I could have saved all this money if I would have told my butcher's wife what I told the therapist. <br />The butcher's wife, straight forward, honest and with lots of good feelings told her: B, you think too much, you need to let go and cry from the bottom of your soul. <br /><br />With this in mind, I went home, my friend said, and the tears begun to flow uncontrollably. <br />SieglindeS. W. Alexanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12087227301358286386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-44174067088666565022011-08-07T16:24:37.621-07:002011-08-07T16:24:37.621-07:00Yann from the last blog: I say "thinking&q...Yann from the last blog: I say "thinking" is perverted is in the sense that all other creatures that have right and left brain hemispheres, we are the only creature that has developed an ability to 'think', other than to use that left hemisphere to express feelings. I conjectured (but my conjecturing could be way off) that we were once like other creatures and just used it to express feelings, but due to circumstances that were perhaps a survival mechanism (due to what-ever), we developed to the point we are now, whereby we seem to need to figure out the nature of the known universe and come up with notions so convoluted you REALLY DO need a PhD in applied mathematics. Most of us are way below that facility. My stating that thinking is "perverse" is to suggest that we are now using this hemisphere to do something it was never originally meant to be. Of course, I came to this notion in evolutionary terms. However, it is merely a conjecture on my part.<br /><br />For me, using the word 'perverse' is meant to give pause to 'thinking' as some superior super noble act. With humans dominating the planet and creating civilization, economics, and law making, I contend, we'll destroy nature, the planet and perhaps the rest of all living creatures. Do we have that "right" (whatever we mean by 'right') to be so dominant??????<br /><br />I merely wish we could become more feeling-full and less neurotic. <br /><br />JackJack Waddingtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06427501529242639591noreply@blogger.com