tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post6584821856485776168..comments2024-02-11T18:16:53.445-08:00Comments on Janov's Reflections on the Human Condition: The Simple Truth is Revolutionary: More on Beliefs (Part 1/3)Arthur Janovhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16709863014923629409noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-45344235941094094002011-10-01T16:28:34.249-07:002011-10-01T16:28:34.249-07:00Dr. Janov,
sorry I overlooked your message.
If you...Dr. Janov,<br />sorry I overlooked your message.<br />If you are still interested 20% of my childhood and youth experience are at: www.boxbook.com<br />Thank you for asking. <br />SieglindeS. W. Alexanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12087227301358286386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-48965482247797732602009-07-17T23:23:22.009-07:002009-07-17T23:23:22.009-07:00Hi Walden. You made me think of my mother....
...Hi Walden. You made me think of my mother....<br /> <br />My mother once told me it didn't matter that she was unhappy on earth. She told me it was important for her to do the right things on earth so that she can find happiness in heaven. This is a tragedy ofcourse.<br />About 10 years ago she quickly lost her belief in heaven and God. I asked her if it was hard for her to lose that belief. She said "not really - I just grew out of it". She spent a lot of her religious life obsessing about doing the right and moral things, and would spend a huge amount of time questioning her own behaviour and other people's behaviour. You'd expect the loss of heaven to cause an avalanche in her head! Apparently not. <br />Now she spends a lot of time by herself solving games and cross-word puzzles etc. She can't feel all the years that have gone by because she is so busy with her puzzles. Her puzzles are not just a distraction. They must be part of a new belief system. She believes there is a meaningful achievement with each puzzle solved - while real love remains meaningless to her. She hasn't felt any real pain and probably never will. <br />There must be so many people who just cruise through life until it is all wasted. I don't want to be like that.Richard Atkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13587935146938446604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-24501218464605047892009-07-17T08:15:32.938-07:002009-07-17T08:15:32.938-07:00Sieglinde. How about sharing some results with us...Sieglinde. How about sharing some results with us of your work with early abuse? art janovArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-84366364829110431442009-06-29T04:49:29.804-07:002009-06-29T04:49:29.804-07:00Dr. Janov, is belief system not a co-dependency? ...Dr. Janov, is belief system not a co-dependency? a diversion away from the self to serve others and a higher power, a very powerful early indoctrination.<br />It always was and still is the opium for people to oppress individuality and keep their needs muffled as obedient servants for the ‘common good’. <br />The deceptive implication that “someone/something” is watching over us and yet does nothing when danger arises, is an oxymoron. <br />A belief offers pacifying temporary feelings, an artificial high, to oppress any uprising primal pain. <br />President Kennedy said: “do not ask what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.” The priority seems to be always others. Very few ask: have you fulfilled your own needs? <br />Sieglinde Alexander<br />- German living in the USA <br />working with adults abused as childrenS. W. Alexanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12087227301358286386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-53313910668730919452009-06-27T18:17:51.823-07:002009-06-27T18:17:51.823-07:00Dears,
Yes, the beliefs are serious business. It...Dears,<br /><br />Yes, the beliefs are serious business. It occurs to me that beliefs in lieu of love are as important as love, and it hurts a lot to lose those beliefs, just as it hurts a lot to lose love. There is a Cat Stevens lyric. "Take your time, think a lot. Think of everything you've got, for you will still be here tomorrow, but your dreams may not." That's from Father and Son, which captures the classic struggle between family males which usually ends in the younger one feeling the need to leave. But the main thing here is the fatherly advice, from experience, that knows the pain of a departed belief system and oh, just how much that can hurt.<br /><br />I guess I'm saying that personal dreams and belief systems are the same thing. I think they are.<br /><br />Waldenwaldenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01413884614943198095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-35702758617249639432009-06-23T15:52:54.828-07:002009-06-23T15:52:54.828-07:00Dr. Janov, is not every belief system a co-depende...Dr. Janov, is not every belief system a co-dependency? a diversion away from one self to serve others and a higher power, a very powerful early indoctrination?<br />It always was and still is the opium for people to oppress individuality and keep their needs muffled, as obedient servants for a "common good".<br />The deceptive implication that"someone/something" is watching over us and yet does nothing when danger arises, is an oxymoron.<br />A belief offers pacifying temporary feelings, an artificial high, to oppress any uprising primal pain.<br /><br />President Kennedy said: "do not ask what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country."<br />The priority seems to be always others. Very few ask: have you fulfilled your own needs?S. W. Alexanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12087227301358286386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-1546708900945563332009-06-22T02:11:46.187-07:002009-06-22T02:11:46.187-07:00I liked the way you made the link between ideas an...I liked the way you made the link between ideas and meaning. False (though defensively wanted) ideas create "artificial" feelings as a reaction to the brain processing meaning, that in turn creates new feelings that subjectively contradict the pain of negative neurotic feelings. That's the picture I get.<br /><br />I would suppose that the part of the brain that processes meaning (and I think there is a designated part?) is the "ball park" interface where ideas work to push back repressed feelings (I'm thinking in terms of neurological plumbing again). <br /><br />No doubt the more unconscious pain we have the more we tend to become consumed in defensive ideas/meaning - giving an easy birth to religion. Indeed, from a psychological perspective, maybe you could describe this functionality *as* religion. I don't think there is any substantial difference?Andrew D Atkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04492591375757227409noreply@blogger.com