tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post6478158471192836427..comments2024-02-11T18:16:53.445-08:00Comments on Janov's Reflections on the Human Condition: The Simple Truth is Revolutionary: How and Why Primal Therapy Works, by Frank Robinette (from our Staff)Arthur Janovhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16709863014923629409noreply@blogger.comBlogger73125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-66238405831270145372016-03-29T21:20:43.113-07:002016-03-29T21:20:43.113-07:00Dear Planespotter,
I am so so sorry about the Rac...Dear Planespotter,<br /><br />I am so so sorry about the Racoon. The way you described the raccoon made me so sad, and your reaction to it. I am sure he knew he was loved though. I think animals are much more smart and resilient than we believe. They are in touch with their higher selves I believe. It's cruel though still what happened to him. I think if I was there I would have tried to stop it, but I feel like cruelty like that will continue until the humans are healed. I don't think the people who skinned him knew what they were doing. They weren't consious of his pain because they are not consious of their own pain. So perhaps the real victims are the humans who did it? Sorry if this is too abstract/theoretical.<br /><br />YAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-28367362992696309382016-03-29T21:02:06.775-07:002016-03-29T21:02:06.775-07:00Hi Dr. Janov and others,
I just wanted to say tha...Hi Dr. Janov and others,<br /><br />I just wanted to say that I've been doing kind of like primal therapy for the past 4 years and have gone into very deep feelings. My repression and childhood trauma almost caused me to take my own life on many occasions. I kind of decided or was forced to let go of most of these defenses. I am still in the process of letting the bigger ones go, but I just wanted to say that by letting go of them and feeling my infancy pain, I have felt a lot more meaning in my life and a sense of familiarity with the world, like I belong here. Vs the huge void I felt most of my life. I now know where it comes from and I literally feel myself as that baby except in consious, adult form. It's a work in progress.<br /><br />But I just wanted to say it feels weird/creepy almost that now that I am in touch with this "baby self" almost all people seem familiar to me and like "'my friends" it is truly strange.<br /><br />I feel like I have to adjust to this "new me" as the other me with the defenses is an extremely unhappy, alone person.<br /><br />I just wanted to add to your discussion about meaning, and just share my experience. If any of you can relate to this eerie familiarity with people once you get in touch with your infant self, let me know :)it would be so neat to know I am not alone.<br /><br />YAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-85956861044920804152014-01-15T04:30:21.528-08:002014-01-15T04:30:21.528-08:00I had to add something to this entry today. For wh...I had to add something to this entry today. For what seems like months and months I have not been able to cry. My head felt blocked and leaden for months. Until quite recently I had not worked out why this was. However I now find myself crying buckets. Over the past month my feelings seem to have risen back closer to the surface. Perhaps this is partly to do with discovering more about my late womb life and my birth and having had a Primal about which I realised was all about my birth. I think there are other reasons.<br /><br />About 4 days ago I was watching a video about saving the Planet and it had all kinds of shots of different things including about factory farming. Suddenly there was a shot of a Racoon in a cage. The next shot was perhaps the most shocking thing I have ever seen. I think the same Racoon had been skinned alive. It's head was simply a bloody skull with these two imploring and questioning blinking eyes looking at the camera. I burst into tears and could not stop. Great sobs. No-one can ever tell me I am unfeeling. I am crying thinking about it now. I am crying about being so lonely and missing my friends. I am crying about losing my family. <br /><br />I remember watching two boys at school throwing a mouse up into the air as far as they could using it's tail as a sort of sling. I could do nothing about it as I was only little and they were much older and bigger boys higher up the school. That has always stayed with me.<br /><br />Over the past few weeks I have had little sobs that perhaps lasted a minute. I knew something had changed. The periods of crying have intensified. Often I don't know what it is about. I just cry. My wife is being wonderful and just shows me great sympathy. I keep telling her it is part of the therapy and that the more I feel the more I feel.<br /><br />There is a sign above the door to the Therapy rooms at the Primal Centre which says "We can cry all the tears we could never cry so we can smile all the smiles we could never smile". It is such a wonderful and simple statement. <br /><br />It feels so good to feel again. I was laughing at a TV program last night and realised that I had not laughed like that for months. A spectrum of feelings coming to the surface.<br /><br />I am sure the reason for all the crying will rise to the surface. My wife wisely said "Sometimes something sets you off and so many other events and feelings get carried up with the crying about the Racoon". She is so right.<br /><br />That poor little Racoon was the victim of repression. It was so so awful.planespotterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05315637682741508786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-21404161896452484162013-08-27T09:26:53.706-07:002013-08-27T09:26:53.706-07:00If Africans spoke English with an American accent,...If Africans spoke English with an American accent, and wore American clothes, the developed countries would quickly take control over Africa and put an end to much of the grievous bodily harm, starvation and mass murder that happens over there. If newborn boys could think and talk like adults, we would feel like monsters every time we circumcise them. If cats could talk like intelligent adult humans but with a cute little voice, we wouldn't stroke their fur. It would seem too real....too intimate.Richard Atkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13587935146938446604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-35600771997047398452013-08-16T00:42:16.424-07:002013-08-16T00:42:16.424-07:00Hi Lars, well written,
It's hardly surprising...Hi Lars, well written,<br /><br />It's hardly surprising that tears and crying are such controversial events. And most of us are so repressed without knowing what the word actually means we wouldn't understand the concept you've outlined above. There's abreaction of many kinds, possibly as many as there are people, then there's faux feelings that perhaps can be switched on and off at 'will' (?). . .<br /><br />Then there is the genuine crying as a tiny infant, as a child or even as an adult.<br /><br />People are scared of other peoples tears because it 'resonates' their own unfelt feelings. IE: people find themselves unconsciously empathising with the distressed subject and that makes them feel manipulated or out of control. Unless of course you have some experience of our actual will less state and the well of pain that state is so busy pushing down hard on to keep the illusion of well being going. . .<br /><br />PLOMPOS. . . Yes indeed, I allowed myself to become the scapegoat for several of those. . . A real danger to get into a 'One to One' relationship with one of them because as long as your loyalty to them remains, there will be no room for your own true feelings; infact your true feelings will be judged as manipulative and soon you will become the target for their anger too.<br /><br />Paul G.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02006514330039884557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-1995891719940924422013-08-12T05:28:42.373-07:002013-08-12T05:28:42.373-07:00Hallo Lars
Elephants cry when they are upset and ...Hallo Lars<br /><br />Elephants cry when they are upset and are very emotional beings. When a lady one has a baby the other females rush to her in great excitement!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-30911172896420848662013-08-11T16:20:38.130-07:002013-08-11T16:20:38.130-07:00Did that study concern whatever tears? There might...Did that study concern whatever tears? There might be two types of tears. Those manifested unvoluntarily when confronted with a revealing primal event (and that might take place during a primal session or right after a traumatic loss –car accident, relative pass away, divorce, ...) and those that may be deliberately dropped by thwarted individuals who turn out to find tears a "useful" tool in the hope of achieving certain goals that otherwise wouldn't be catched. My mother in law has mastered that since she was around 4. No doubt she's gone through hard times (in fact no one acts out without a deep reason) but she somehow managed to get a high degree as a PLOMPOS (Poor little old me permanently on stage). Those hardly worked tears sure must refer to a different molecule structure than those healing ones mentioned before which truly belong home. Talking about water, shouldn't it be a good idea for you to get in touch with Mr. Masaru Emoto? Who else? His studies on water crystals might be taken in consideration by you. After all we're 70% built on waterDespertareshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02896761553793062978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-49578022974415584062013-08-09T03:16:33.630-07:002013-08-09T03:16:33.630-07:00planespotter, hallo
I think Paul meant that he wou...planespotter, hallo<br />I think Paul meant that he would have to stay in the therapy for 12 months, not wait for it for 12 months.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-9191070837775912482013-08-06T16:59:49.123-07:002013-08-06T16:59:49.123-07:00Andrew Atkin: Charles Murray is just a plain old ...Andrew Atkin: Charles Murray is just a plain old racist , modern style.Funny how all these subtle racists find themselves on the Right, and now use science to justify their hates. Here's another subtle racist: Rush Limbaugh, who called Obama, Barack the Magic Negro.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-69292344288142998872013-08-06T03:57:06.027-07:002013-08-06T03:57:06.027-07:00Hi,
In the elevator back up to my sons flat on th...Hi,<br /><br />In the elevator back up to my sons flat on the 11th floor a gobby bitch was forcing the tears back down her cute 3yr old daughters throat. . . "Stop Crying, Stop Crying"! etc etc. . . The child choked down her tears catching short breaths whilst the gobby bitch (alias her 'mother') applied totalitarian parental CBT onto the child. . .<br /><br />After years of programming like this we become either compulsive liars to get what we want or we succumb to a fixed mental posture; or both. This 'fixation' allows for little if any satisfaction of need. Like goal posts so close together not even the ball can get in. . .<br /><br />No room to maneuver and no ability to use language beyond a certain point. Language is a fine tool but to use fine tools you need to develop a range of complex 'muscles'. . . connections. . . Parents who stop the natural cry function in their children are over pruning the ability of their children to form these multifarious connections before the 'tree' they are gardeners of has time to make enough branches. Thus you get stunted expression. End of Creative Life before the poor child has even developed the concept. . .<br /><br />When 'compulsion' like this builds up certain lies become standardised and repeated in any situation that the original trauma (traumas) start to resonate. There is NO WILL in this form of lying, just as most seeking and searching never hits the bullseye of need. . .<br /><br />So, to recover your connection with your cingulate cortex (is that the right organ)? is to regain your ability to lie at WILL. Also your ability to UNDERSTAND, which is a 4 dimensional thing. Length, breadth, width, and of course TIME (and therefore sequence: HISTORY).<br /><br />Thus crying can and does (when not just ab-reaction) re-form and re-orient your attention to outer matters. . . Applying the 3-2-1 Primal Theory will eventually 'sequence' your connections. Eventually needs become easier to satisfy. Certainly from my limited experience my needs have at least become better clarified, I have a bit more direction and a lot more sensitivity to 'situations', I am a little more open to change. . . and to the potential for greater wealth and health. <br /><br />At times of course I accidentally brutalise myself with guilt and persecution for being such a terrible liar and such a needy person. . . That's what my parents put into me, and their 'boarding school staff'. I have to endure this self blame and guilt as the poisonous lies I had to swallow to survive this "Care Regime" are expelled from my system.<br /><br />There's an entry in my diary recently, it reads: "This is all self Blame and Guilt"! I rest my case.<br /><br />Paul G.<br /><br /> Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02006514330039884557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-40365780530065284002013-08-06T03:40:37.157-07:002013-08-06T03:40:37.157-07:00Paul: Of course. art.Paul: Of course. art.Arthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-39949621322573888292013-08-05T08:58:56.578-07:002013-08-05T08:58:56.578-07:00Hi All,
there are serious subjective flaws in wha...Hi All,<br /><br />there are serious subjective flaws in what we judge as 'intelligence'; how and why we measure what to decide is extremely biased.<br />I'm sorry but the racist issue is not an issue at all. What is an issue is how emotionally intelligent we are and there is no test for that. . . Though I hear the Primal Center do a good line in training.<br /><br />I feel I have become more emotionally intelligent since I started crying a lot.<br /><br />Paul G.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02006514330039884557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-12981237040529218612013-08-05T07:42:01.743-07:002013-08-05T07:42:01.743-07:00Anonymous: I have an instinctive respect and inter...Anonymous: I have an instinctive respect and interest in all people who can and will see the world through their own eyes. As soon as I get that "correct thinking" as opposed to "direct thinking" flavour, a feeling if acute boredom overwhelms me. Charles Murray, though not always agreeable to me, is interesting!Andrew D Atkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04492591375757227409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-69245606555638828562013-08-03T09:35:43.257-07:002013-08-03T09:35:43.257-07:00Lars: Do more than pray. Decide to come. artLars: Do more than pray. Decide to come. artArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-87513343580723850622013-07-30T22:35:36.965-07:002013-07-30T22:35:36.965-07:00Yes, that's the Charlie. Remember that if you ...Yes, that's the Charlie. Remember that if you do research about a topic like race and intelligence you are asking for trouble - especially if your results are "unpopular".Andrew D Atkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04492591375757227409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-27530961876560155522013-07-30T22:29:09.284-07:002013-07-30T22:29:09.284-07:00Hi Paul
I am sorry to hear that you must wait for...Hi Paul<br /><br />I am sorry to hear that you must wait for 12 months or more. Life is so tough sometimes. I have finished the 2 weeks. I will see how it has helped over the next few months. I feel very different to the last time perhaps because this time any effects may be more subtle. I knew I felt very different last time.<br /><br />Good luck and don't give up.planespotterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05315637682741508786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-63578553128450490202013-07-30T20:57:41.473-07:002013-07-30T20:57:41.473-07:00There are biological differences between races, no...There are biological differences between races, not just skin colour, for example there are differences in brain colour too, and some of the latest medications are being developed into racially specific variations. So there is no argument -- we are different. Not very different, but enough to create controversy among all the politically correct activists and racists.<br />Many scientists believe that yellow people have the highest "intelligence", followed by whites and then blacks. But people of all races who practice by sitting many IQ tests actually increase their IQ score over time. So one must ask, are they increasing their intelligence, or are they simply getting used to the types of questions they can expect to find in an IQ test (efficient thought patterns based on expectation). One must also consider the fact that IQ tests do not measure other types of intelligence that require use of the entire brain (for example; social intelligence) as opposed to the limited scope of thought required in an IQ test. Creative people are often "inefficient thinkers" but their free-flowing thoughts can solve a wide range of problems. IQ tests do not measure the mental effects of boredom. They do not accurately measure the effects of culture -- for example, an Asian American girl raised in a Caucasian American family could be influenced by the attitudes of Asian racists. The list goes on -- but in short, IQ tests are meaningless, and Primal Therapy works on all races, right Art?Richard Atkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13587935146938446604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-10171269883434563282013-07-30T19:18:32.179-07:002013-07-30T19:18:32.179-07:00I agree with you planespotter. Life has no meanin...I agree with you planespotter. Life has no meaning. We do not need meaning --- we need to fulfill our needs. Love is meaningless but it feels right.Richard Atkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13587935146938446604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-63532474539253867852013-07-30T16:57:24.085-07:002013-07-30T16:57:24.085-07:00Thinking astutely is the consequence of having cri...Thinking astutely is the consequence of having cried a lot. And that credit must be given to the person who taught me how to deal with the invisible burden. And that person ultimately is you. Thank You for 'Primaling'. I pray for your recovery, but especially for those who are being trained by you and will follow your steps wisely. I pray I become one of them one day and spread your well lit vision.Despertareshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02896761553793062978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-6251074689131004532013-07-30T15:55:04.361-07:002013-07-30T15:55:04.361-07:00Lars: again astute. keep thinking. good for ever...Lars: again astute. keep thinking. good for everything. artArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-21528998263325323372013-07-30T09:54:07.058-07:002013-07-30T09:54:07.058-07:00"It is also probably responsible for our capa..."It is also probably responsible for our capacity to lie at will about anything." What do you mean by that, Frank?Despertareshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02896761553793062978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-41332876308056409012013-07-30T09:30:38.627-07:002013-07-30T09:30:38.627-07:00I don't know wether crying is the key factor t...I don't know wether crying is the key factor that makes us different from animals or not. I've learned that other species do cry. It may be that animals cry when facing a stressful (life threatening) situation whereas Humans can cry while reliving stressful memories of events taken place in the past. Dogs do cry and even sob as enduring neglectful behavior from their owners or even in their absence, but they don not suffer from remembering having gone through those experiences in the past. Of course a neglected dog will change its natural happiness into timidity. Humans, non humans, who cares? Anyway it may be that denying one's feelings is the key to understand what makes us less Natural Beings and more Robotic ones.Despertareshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02896761553793062978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-86120845649456567202013-07-30T04:59:10.240-07:002013-07-30T04:59:10.240-07:00Paul: I do too. I want this blog to speak for all ...Paul: I do too. I want this blog to speak for all of us. To give voice for those who never had one. artArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-72350774067811482642013-07-29T17:32:31.470-07:002013-07-29T17:32:31.470-07:00Andrew: Isn't Charles Murray that right-wing l...Andrew: Isn't Charles Murray that right-wing libertarian who was accused of racism in his book "The Bell Curve"? Here's the Wikipedia excerpt on Charles Murray about his book:<br /> <br />The Bell Curve: Intelligence and Class Structure in American Life (1994) (ISBN 0-02-914673-9) is a controversial, best-selling 1994 book that Charles Murray wrote with the Harvard professor Richard J. Herrnstein. Its central point is that intelligence is a better predictor of many factors including financial income, job performance, unwed pregnancy, and crime than one's parents' socio-economic status or education level. Also, the book argued that those with high intelligence (the "cognitive elite") are becoming separated from the general population of those with average and below-average intelligence, and that this was a dangerous social trend.<br /> <br />Much of the controversy erupted from Chapters 13 and 14, where the authors write about the enduring differences in race and intelligence and discuss implications of that difference. While the authors were reported throughout the popular press as arguing that these IQ differences are genetic, they write in the introduction to Chapter 13 that "The debate about whether and how much genes and environment have to do with ethnic differences remains unresolved," and "It seems highly likely to us that both genes and the environment have something to do with racial differences."<br /> <br />The book's title comes from the bell-shaped normal distribution of IQ scores. The normal distribution is the limiting distribution of a random quantity which is the sum of smaller, independent random phenomena.<br /> <br />Shortly after publication, large numbers of people rallied both to criticize and defend the book. Some critics denounced the book and its authors as supporting scientific racism. A number of books were written in response, to criticize The Bell Curve. Those books included a revised edition of evolutionary biologist Stephen Jay Gould's The Mismeasure of Man, The Bell Curve Wars, a collection of essays reacting to Murray and Herrnstein's commentary, as well as The Bell Curve Debate, which contains essays that respond to the issues raised in The Bell Curve. Arthur S. Goldberger and Charles F. Manski critique the empirical methods supporting the book's hypotheses.[20<br /><br />MarcoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-9483974147178132642013-07-29T10:56:50.554-07:002013-07-29T10:56:50.554-07:00Hi,
the logic and feeling remain married precisel...Hi,<br /><br />the logic and feeling remain married precisely because the author writes in the shadow of his opponent, and that is where repression has no hold.<br /><br />So say: " the hubris of our own particular denial reflects in the absence of the logic (3rd line) we actually hide behind". Frank says the same thing a different way. Isn't it?<br /><br />Paul G.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02006514330039884557noreply@blogger.com