tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post5545412296301326247..comments2024-02-11T18:16:53.445-08:00Comments on Janov's Reflections on the Human Condition: The Simple Truth is Revolutionary: My Life: Practicing Primal TherapyArthur Janovhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16709863014923629409noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-65202419344798667562017-02-23T14:41:51.272-08:002017-02-23T14:41:51.272-08:00Hello Katherina,
Sure, I understand.
You did as...Hello Katherina,<br /><br />Sure, I understand. <br /><br />You did ask about my experience of therapy. I also attended Graham Farrant's therapy centre in Richmond, about the same time you did evidently, as he was getting ill about then and retired soon after. I do remember kids coming to play in the red room. So many memories.<br /><br />I also attended the Jamillon centres under John Spensley. The current Jamillon centre is quite different, much improved in my opinion. They also have a therapist who spent several years training with Art. This is where I go for therapy at the moment.<br /><br />I quite understand Art's warnings about untrained therapists. I felt a lot of the therapists in the Richmond centre really didn't know what they were doing, and some were downright dangerous. But still, there were one or two I chose to work with, and I made valued progress with them. <br /><br />I would love to one day travel to LA, finances permitting. I would love to at least meet you Art, as you have formed such a large part and monumental influence for the good in my life. Irrespective of your feelings towards the kind of therapy some of us can afford, you have truly saved my life.<br /><br />Erronraindoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09714998714610881831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-9266262472577244252017-02-23T09:35:23.344-08:002017-02-23T09:35:23.344-08:00We are working on a way to make Primal less fearfu...We are working on a way to make Primal less fearful and painful as it is relived. ArtArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-63990724163320231502017-02-23T09:33:30.125-08:002017-02-23T09:33:30.125-08:00We are inundated by Russians and also many Europea...We are inundated by Russians and also many Europeans. Art<br />Arthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-20409530126424448202017-02-23T09:31:33.919-08:002017-02-23T09:31:33.919-08:00I have no idea. Did she retire? ArtI have no idea. Did she retire? ArtArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-11870136127185918462017-02-23T09:30:12.094-08:002017-02-23T09:30:12.094-08:00
AYAYAY! You spend weeks buying a car but when it...<br /><br />AYAYAY! You spend weeks buying a car but when it comes to your life you make hasty judgements and go to people who decided they were Primal therapists without a day of training. And then theur ex-patients come to us to be fixed, which is never easily done. ArtArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-22612643463876953142017-02-22T16:47:09.123-08:002017-02-22T16:47:09.123-08:00Hi Raindog,
I'm not sure how naming names woul...Hi Raindog,<br />I'm not sure how naming names would help for now, so until I understand what I'm getting into I feel better to err on the side of privacy. The main point for me is that Art has made it abundantly clear that Primal Therapy is now a precise science, and there is no need to make the mistakes of the past in therapy any longer. Thanks to Art and France. <br /><br />I think the public has a right to know about advances and discoveries in health science. <br /><br />Thanks for your interest it's helped me to make more sense of my life. For that I am very greatful to you Raindog. I'm really glad you asked. <br /><br />Katherina <br /><br />Katherinaninahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16332073848086460414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-80915930523881449442017-02-21T21:11:55.491-08:002017-02-21T21:11:55.491-08:00So, Art, who is more thirsty for Primal Therapy - ...So, Art, who is more thirsty for Primal Therapy - the Americans or the Europeans? I assume that there is not much demand from the Asians or the Russians.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-31658675356924204932017-02-21T07:20:23.415-08:002017-02-21T07:20:23.415-08:00Hi Raindog,
Yes you have the era right .
I had m...Hi Raindog, <br />Yes you have the era right .<br />I had my first few Primal Therapy sessions with Dr. Graham Farrant just before he retired, then I continued my primal therapy with Dr. John Spensleys for about five years in Melbourne. I grew up in Melbourne not far from the Primal centre in Richmond where my mother went for Primal therapy. I met Dr. Spensley after he stepped out of a group of Dr. Farrents that my mother was attending when I was five years old. I was waiting for my mother, John was very friendly and kind, and seemed to know just how to approach me so that I felt confidant in his presence. Normally I was very shy. <br /> Me and my sister used to go and run around the padded red group room after all the adults had come out of group. I used to be able to hear some of the adults cries faintly while waiting in the waiting area. It didn't disturb me at all. But years later when my mother started to Primal at home I found that very upsetting. I only recently started to have feelings about my mother during her early therapy years and it's a great relief. <br /><br />What about you have you done Primal Therapy ? Are you from Australia too. <br /><br />Thanks for asking. <br />KatherinaKatherinaninahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16332073848086460414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-46505730640330037232017-02-21T05:23:42.396-08:002017-02-21T05:23:42.396-08:00Hello Frank!
If for some reason we think we can m...Hello Frank!<br /><br />If for some reason we think we can make our therapy around people with the same mentality we grew up in... then we will fail. We are absolut not as smart as needed to it.<br /><br />During the therapeutic process we are faced with more or less powerful experiences. In order to possibly cope with so strong emotions that require a proximity exactly for what happened to us then when we were small. So in that case it is impossible to pass unscathed from a similar situation if the circumstances is not the right ones around our trusted.<br /><br />The consequences are extremely serious. So... we should at least have some knowledge what it is we embark as there is life-threatening experiences that are on its way up to the surface of our awareness... it without it has been at deliberately before. It can not be done unless the people around you are tollerant and knowledgeable about what is happening so that you can feel safe with what you are doing.<br /><br />FrankFrankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02242354226308728116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-24797020803737857742017-02-21T02:03:05.832-08:002017-02-21T02:03:05.832-08:00Me to!
FrankMe to!<br /><br />FrankFrankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02242354226308728116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-64294694643320917752017-02-20T23:22:02.790-08:002017-02-20T23:22:02.790-08:00Art
What happened to Vivian? Art<br />What happened to Vivian? Katarzynahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17911400318077957562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-80822947671335969632017-02-20T22:23:20.259-08:002017-02-20T22:23:20.259-08:00Wow, does that bring back memories of great times,...Wow, does that bring back memories of great times, of great patients, and an evolving therapy that I was still learning about. Thanks so much for this Erik, So much has happened, so much we have gone through, so many great experiences. What memories! ArtArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-38602693461015590462017-02-20T22:20:20.145-08:002017-02-20T22:20:20.145-08:00Need more details. ArtNeed more details. ArtArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-53726419843934959642017-02-20T21:24:04.545-08:002017-02-20T21:24:04.545-08:00The first Primal Retreat took place in the summer ...The first Primal Retreat took place in the summer of 1980 near Champery, Switzerland, not too far from Lausanne and Montreux at the east end of Lake Geneva, French speaking Switzerland. It was organized by Swiss patients, who after returning back home felt a need for follow-up sessions on European soil.<br /><br />The participants, about 30, were ex-patients (if you can say "ex" about a lifelong patientship) from the two Institutes, coming from Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Holland, Germany, Switzerland, France and UK, but also USA. Among them I noted a male Swiss professor in physics, a female Swiss principal of a School for Nurses, a relative of one of Swedish film director Ingemar Bergman's preferred actors (Bergman himself once wanted to get into therapy but was not accepted), and myself, who had just started a new life after ten years as a fighter pilot, now going to medical school. Also a young male American, heavily into biking. He could not bike to Europe, but disassembled his bike and brought it in a suitcase! (I tried it once, geared for steep hills) A lovely American woman looked warmly at me and wanted me to be her Swedish Viking.<br /><br />The therapists included Arthur and Vivian Janov, fortified by some of the ordinary therapists from the Institutes in LA and NYC.<br /><br />The venue was a ski lodge, chalêt, sitting on the steep hillside; main floor with a large hall, bed rooms with bunk beds, kitchen for DIY cooking, a large attic under the roof, and a souterrain level with shower heads in the ceiling.<br /><br />Group sessions were in the evenings, private sessions could be ordered at additional cost. <br /><br />The days were spent loitering, cooking, trekking; swimming, tennis available; beautiful nature at the foot of the Alps; the Swiss professor found his jeans were too warm and took a knife and made shorts, Art showed his amazing Sony Walkman; the sun was shining.<br /><br />Since Wednesday was free, the American Beauty and the Swedish Viking rented a car in a nearby town and went on a wild goose chase. No therapy till next day's evening! At the hotel, that we found for the night, we had dinner on the veranda, view over the beautiful Neuchatêl lake. In bed, she wanted to have sex. (Wow!) I said Thanks, but no thanks, being inexperienced (yes!), and married with two young children. Also did not want to risk the sweet atmosphere between us with a failed one night stand. The following evening in post-group session, she complained that I had refused to have sex with her. "Well, was he obliged to?" said Vivian.<br /><br />One afternoon I went down to the showers. Empty. I started undressing, when the Swiss principal entered. Now what? was my thought. She said Hi and calmly found the other end of the wooden bench and began undressing too. Sigh of relief, no fuss. And we had our showers, minding one's own business. It felt all natural, as if we were siblings. Or brothers in arms, fighting a common enemy - Pain.<br /><br />It was just a week, but an important one. Many more were to follow. The memories are still vivid, like when, for instance, Art had stopped his rented car on top of the little wooden bridge across the brook, chatting through the window with that Swedish film actor in his car, facing the opposite direction, almost blocking my way, coming down on that mountain top gear bike. "Erik, you'll be late for group!" he said. I answered "No I won't", and sped on and was seated in the assembly hall on time. <br /><br />What a joy!Erik Lundholmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02488110108743043969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-47675728604624642452017-02-20T16:43:38.341-08:002017-02-20T16:43:38.341-08:00"desperate and frightened....".
years a..."desperate and frightened....". <br />years ago my pal told me to worn him if he ever intend to get married to anyone. just in case he couldn't see the obvious> that the girl is not a right woman for him. <br /><br />in primal center there are more than just one therapist. every patient has a co-therapist too... but just in case, patient maybe should come with a co-patient. but who? his ego? come with trust. maybe it is even worse to come with skepticism. to <br />have some job or just important activity could help. not sure. you have more experience Katherina.<br /><br />vukonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-2084998960930375532017-02-20T14:04:31.182-08:002017-02-20T14:04:31.182-08:00Grand Delusions methinks. I read it all twice.
I ...Grand Delusions methinks. I read it all twice.<br /><br />I love your booga booga debunkings. . . It's cathartic to read your almost rants on the subject. . .<br />Paul G.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02006514330039884557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-12185503996393931552017-02-20T14:02:48.223-08:002017-02-20T14:02:48.223-08:00Art,
you are or have been rightly rankled about P...Art,<br /><br />you are or have been rightly rankled about Primal not getting a fair hearing. But the Queen, including that pussy in the Whitehouse, both are deaf, dumb and blind to the facts of real life. . .<br /><br />Paul G.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02006514330039884557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-85745252686506607992017-02-20T13:58:30.099-08:002017-02-20T13:58:30.099-08:00Well certainly not in my town, much to my chagrin....Well certainly not in my town, much to my chagrin.<br /><br />Paul G.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02006514330039884557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-38307438959045971742017-02-20T13:31:35.675-08:002017-02-20T13:31:35.675-08:00Katherina, may I ask where you did therapy, and wi...Katherina, may I ask where you did therapy, and with whom? Sounds like Melbourne, with John Spensley, if I have the era right?<br /><br />Erronraindoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09714998714610881831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-12608371075185080172017-02-20T13:27:49.431-08:002017-02-20T13:27:49.431-08:00Katherina, brilliantly put!
ErronKatherina, brilliantly put!<br /><br />Erronraindoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09714998714610881831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-23759540759767288172017-02-20T12:33:31.404-08:002017-02-20T12:33:31.404-08:00You know who an expert is? A guy from out of town....You know who an expert is? A guy from out of town. ArtArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-17833271615064238772017-02-20T12:32:12.787-08:002017-02-20T12:32:12.787-08:00Nice to hear. ArtNice to hear. ArtArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-70422194420732752712017-02-20T12:31:30.739-08:002017-02-20T12:31:30.739-08:00In the first chapter of my site, there is a book, ...In the first chapter of my site, there is a book, The Grand Illusion, which has a chapter on hypnosis. ArtArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-71255215498377497292017-02-20T12:30:02.889-08:002017-02-20T12:30:02.889-08:00Worry not. ArtWorry not. ArtArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-84340656700580809892017-02-20T12:05:00.828-08:002017-02-20T12:05:00.828-08:00Sure got a good laugh out of Art's replies to ...Sure got a good laugh out of Art's replies to Richard Atkin's comments...so funny! beachcoast7https://www.blogger.com/profile/17348238170525257587noreply@blogger.com