tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post5241294973716962701..comments2024-02-11T18:16:53.445-08:00Comments on Janov's Reflections on the Human Condition: The Simple Truth is Revolutionary: Another Hot New GadgetArthur Janovhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16709863014923629409noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-51548505538584953282011-09-04T08:38:34.648-07:002011-09-04T08:38:34.648-07:00A facebook comment:
"Neurosis in essence is a...A facebook comment:<i><br />"Neurosis in essence is a Lie. 100% agree that concentration is enhanced by removing pain, mindfulness can be viewed as some for of escapism that it is. Like Gestalt "be here now" fallacy, but how can you BE HERE NOW if your shadow i.e. disowned aspects, pain in the body etc. is constantly lurking and moving you OUT of the present? You can't. Unless you empty yourself of pain. There is however a "high-tech" approach to meditation that may change the whole game about "meditation" per se, it's called binaural beats -- ( http://www.facebook.com/l/kAQA0g-lA/www.soundwavemeditation.com <- my product) Now, I don't say this is cure all in itself, but is just a tool - can this bring our very early 1-st line pains? Probably only in those who have leaky gates to begin with. What I know this does, through time of usage of course, is to make unconscious/conscious, unlike "mindf--- meditations", this "high-tech" meditation actually FORCES you to own your demons, your hidden pain, your stuff in general. By listening to this is is HARD to stay in the present moment and be conscious as the stuff comes up, and you are forced to look at it, integrating the layer by layer at a time. That's why I believe this will change the game, mind resists the changes created by these deep brainwaves but not for long, sooner than later the pain comes up and so this high-tech wins, and then you win. You have less and less repression as you go, more and more healing, less and less stress and etc." </i>Arthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-51126468120910507342011-09-04T07:59:58.496-07:002011-09-04T07:59:58.496-07:00Psychoanalysis is also old. Does that make it rig...Psychoanalysis is also old. Does that make it right? AJArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-65796411231582936352011-09-02T10:03:32.637-07:002011-09-02T10:03:32.637-07:00For what it's worth, mindfulness meditation ha...For what it's worth, mindfulness meditation has been around for a very long time; it's at the core of Buddhist practice; therapists of today may have picked up on it, but it certainly isn't new.grumpyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07620337750803837746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-36167502750658559982011-08-24T18:19:58.791-07:002011-08-24T18:19:58.791-07:00Dr. Janov,
You are right.
I encourage everyone w...Dr. Janov,<br /><br />You are right.<br /><br />I encourage everyone with childhood trauma to have there cortisol checked. <br /><br />Reason: many display not only psychological also similar physical symptoms (extreme weight gain, just to mention one). The problem is, if it is not an Endocrinologist most of the physicians don’t know how to read or interpret the results in relation to (for instance) migraine. <br /><br />In one case the physician put the patient with low cortisol on prednisone. <br /><br />SieglindeS. W. Alexanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12087227301358286386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-13321317835143757172011-08-24T13:51:08.223-07:002011-08-24T13:51:08.223-07:00Sieglinde: Should those with migraine have their c...Sieglinde: Should those with migraine have their cortisol checked? I think so. AJ.Arthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-29865427189732664402011-08-24T01:56:27.862-07:002011-08-24T01:56:27.862-07:00Hi, (part 2)
Most of what I hear the psychotherap...Hi, (part 2)<br /><br />Most of what I hear the psychotherapy industry say (and that includes most of the alternatives I have come across and tried)is that it is possible to palliate, heal or cure through many different ways including 'self help'. You just got to find the right one for you. . . This is obviously socially true. What more could you say (even as a specialist) when giving a message to a large group?<br /><br />As soon as the situation (transaction) goes 'one to one' the rules change radically. Once you are inside the therapy room (or in your lovers' arms) your entire repertoire is re-arranged to 'meet' this entirely different situation.<br /><br />Art is not slamming other therapies, it looks like it if you make the social assumption that he's caught up in a competition with competitors of one variety or another. It looks like he has 'something to sell'.<br /><br />I am slamming other therapies though because I have been deceived. It's quite simple and I can prove it; though I have utterly no interest in that other than when passing, so to speak.<br /><br />And in passing now I am compelled to slam the industry for colluding in a fudge between this very different modus operandi: the difference between the believable but generalised rules of society and the highly specialised and exacting relationship in one to one transaction.<br /><br />I make another analogy: You are short sighted and want some glasses, arriving at the opticians' clinic you are given some eye pads and a white stick and sent on your way. On the inside of your eye pads are written the words "I can see" stamped in small writing on the white stick is "adapted" latest version, 24/08/11.<br /><br />In my industry we have standards based on scientific research. Timber frame house parts tested till destruction. In the entire global construction industry you will find a very high degree of technical and scientific information widely shared and adhered to. Yes there are differences and nit picks (and boundary disputes)! Nevertheless the market place for construction is dominated by the social situation. Housing and structures are 99% for groups to share and therefore occupy the arena of consensus. <br /><br />I slam the psychotherapeutic industry because it makes a fudge and offers its' wares like a sweet shop of architectural vernaculars across the ages. The psychotherapeutic industry has made a fashion accessory out of mental and emotional "HELP".<br /><br />Consequently I for one am bloody angry because all I see around me coming out of 'therapy' (and I am in the thick it where I live) are so called individuals with modified personalities presenting the same but modified symptoms which they of course have a new (scientifically worded) and therefore glib (social) explanation for.<br /><br />I was even almost one of these 'adaptees' myself. Some of the more obnoxious adaptees who know me take pity on me because they know "I still have problems". . . (These are mostly the ones who have themselves 'moved on' to become practising therapists).<br /><br />I conclude by saying that a good well trained counsellor is worth a thousand therapists. Just get some-one to listen to you. If you need a massage but are frightened of the intimacy or exposing your feelings, find a masseur who can counsel you too; they do exist.<br /><br />Paul G.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02006514330039884557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-59905740697701315132011-08-24T01:48:53.392-07:002011-08-24T01:48:53.392-07:00Hi Arthur & Phantom, (part 1).
You have ...Hi Arthur & Phantom, (part 1).<br /><br />You have both here touched on my own speciality.<br /><br />To me with my social binoculars on (but all the time in one to one relations 'ongoing'). . . I have to act a role because the loyalty and will I devote to others in social situations has to be carefully guarded, (most people do this automatically without realising the complex set of defences needed). I can't just give myself away to any passer by or more to the point wave my criticisms under all passer bys' noses. Alternatively, in one to one relations my 'investment' is made in very different ways, I certainly can and do speak my mind with acute observations. That's a snapshot of my acquired version of these 'boundaries'.<br /><br />This conflict between what is socially acceptable and what is personally acceptable behind closed doors always makes boundaries that need fairly constant maintenance so that there is some clarity about who is in which camp. Even though we know our children need to be socialised we assume this role in an unexamined and therefore authoritarian way, IE: Pedagogically. We aught to consciously teach children about this (through active observation in real social situations). This rather obvious (but not easy to learn) "Etiquette" we just assume somehow that our children will naturally know the difference between a social and a one to one situation. But of course, really we parents are so wrapped up in the 'game' ourselves that we forget our children may see things we can't.<br /><br /> Then we have prisons full of of teenagers.<br /><br />I digress.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02006514330039884557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-54858276739497923862011-08-23T21:08:54.919-07:002011-08-23T21:08:54.919-07:00ok, sorry, maybe it was the way I read it....I hav...ok, sorry, maybe it was the way I read it....I have found mindfulness helpful personally, and I read as far as "So what is new about it? Nothing." and I imagined it in an angry voice....<br />Your other post(a while back) about forgiveness(in a Christian context) seemed angry too....maybe it is me that is angry..:P<br /><br />Anyway, I think mindfulness can be helpful, as any therapy, if it gives you some insight into your behavior....you never know, maybe some will have the insight that primal therapy is the way to go....Phantom88https://www.blogger.com/profile/00552843043994725505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-28241744130879259822011-08-23T16:58:04.456-07:002011-08-23T16:58:04.456-07:00Stella,
I know exactly what you are saying.
I ha...Stella,<br /><br />I know exactly what you are saying. <br />I have three horrible experiences. The first with Prozac, one with Wellutrin and the last with Effexor. <br /><br />I strongly believe the set-points (pre-birth) as well as the condition of the mother at birth, is the key indicator how we react to medication later. <br /><br />Also, the time my cortisol was 1.1, not even shots for headache/migraine could help me. Now with a cortisol level 8.0 a single 325 mg aspirin solves my headaches (too long in the sun). <br /><br />Today I would challenge the ring of experts by asking: how different is the reaction of a sympath compared to a para-sympath to the same dose of “brain” medication.<br /><br />I would bet, not many have any idea what I’m asking....<br /><br />SieglindeS. W. Alexanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12087227301358286386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-46122986976475271782011-08-23T15:23:01.862-07:002011-08-23T15:23:01.862-07:00they should be put in the slammer. they are guilt...they should be put in the slammer. they are guilty of false advertising and gross negligence. lots of "kind-hearted" people are jailed because society requires certain standards to be maintained. the less harmful therapists should not be imprisoned but they should be forced to change their title to: Listening Buddy.Richard Atkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13587935146938446604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-75573702975885143362011-08-23T08:58:28.784-07:002011-08-23T08:58:28.784-07:00Phantom: I don't slam other therapies. I write...Phantom: I don't slam other therapies. I write science about their shortcomings and what they can and cannot do. Nuance. Wouldn't you like to know how much cognitive therapy can help and what it cannot help with? Criticism within science is not slamming. It is elucidating. If you want to go to rehab for addiction wouldn't you want to know what it can really accomplish for your son? Or would like to pay thousands and then discover it cures nothing. Information is not slamming. Did someone tell you that criticism is bad? That if you cannot say something nice about someone don't say anything? Art JanovArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-2010515911982278532011-08-22T08:27:59.112-07:002011-08-22T08:27:59.112-07:00you yourself have said that not everyone can have ...you yourself have said that not everyone can have primal therapy, so I don't know why you slam all other therapies.<br /><br />yeah, sure, these other therapies aren't gonna cure anyone, but they might enable some people to lead a more fulfilling life...can't you see that?Phantom88https://www.blogger.com/profile/00552843043994725505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-3718983924517375592011-08-22T06:59:06.786-07:002011-08-22T06:59:06.786-07:00Dr. Janov,
You said it loud and clear – but you w...Dr. Janov,<br /><br />You said it loud and clear – but you will not make many friends in the psycho-neuro-academic world. :-)<br /><br />It is “psychoevangelicalism”, the most successful concept in how to make a good living while filling the brain, (of the one in pain) full of garbage and feelings of guilt. <br /><br />SieglindeS. W. Alexanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12087227301358286386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-6690154876013634722011-08-22T04:10:39.282-07:002011-08-22T04:10:39.282-07:00Hi,
Well there we have the nub of the whole proce...Hi,<br /><br />Well there we have the nub of the whole process:<br /><br /> -" Not only can we be deceived by others but more importantly we can be deceived by ourselves; and that is the greatest deception because we believe the self that is alienated from the real being, the feeling self. That self believes in lies because it has no feeling base to help it judge things. Mindfulness is another mindf----";-<br /><br />Oh how I loved to evangelise my latest belief system. Not only did I believe fervently in the new belief but everyone else should have done as well. Why was I like that?<br /><br />I think I was an evangelist because my Dad never gave me enough approval and I suspect those who MUST evangelise are subconsciously trying to substitute lack of approval from Dad (or Mum) with attempting to "prove" something to some-one else (the existence of a kind and benevolent Mentor or even the absence of one in a 'cold & dispassionate universe; either/or). <br /><br />Conversely when I'm trying to explain something to some-one else and they don't get it I start to feel like an evangelist! (Maybe they feel like a school kid)?<br /><br />It is possible to 'acquire' insights like this cognitively with a few tears thrown in about it all but when one really starts to re-live the feelings of abandonment and loss suppressed at those early times the desire to evangelise changes into the desire to get well.<br /><br />Current psychotherapeutic parlance would have us believe this is possible with insight therapy because of the way the transference is handled. . . ie: the therapist becomes the benign and helpful mentor. I feel this is a con because it only lasts as long as the therapeutic alliance, 50mins. Outside of this financial arrangement the client must (and I mean MUST) believe something is being achieved, after all they have paid for it. Even more so if the therapist is offering "free" therapy because that increases the mentor prestige in the minds of very dependent and poor people. Christ like benevolence is a powerful drug.<br /><br />Actually I am cautiously informing some people about Primal Theory but it is almost entirely pointless. Most people are trapped in a pain propelled delusion about their own feelings and worth and do not want to be reminded of "things they grew out of years ago". . . <br /><br />"Havn't you grown out of that yet Paul"? Combined with: "Well, you only have yourself to blame". . . And so on with glib rhetoric designed to dismiss and defer. Ah well.<br /><br />Take care and listen to your true feelings.<br /><br />Paul G.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02006514330039884557noreply@blogger.com