tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post5126940377258045188..comments2024-02-11T18:16:53.445-08:00Comments on Janov's Reflections on the Human Condition: The Simple Truth is Revolutionary: On Hypnosis (Part 16/20)Arthur Janovhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16709863014923629409noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-26130518993709673812011-08-21T13:19:53.351-07:002011-08-21T13:19:53.351-07:00Apollo: Sorry PT patients do live longer and we...Apollo: Sorry PT patients do live longer and we will research on telomeres to show it. artArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-29345012669175732442011-08-20T20:58:02.351-07:002011-08-20T20:58:02.351-07:00Paul, for most it is a hall of mirrors. None of us...Paul, for most it is a hall of mirrors. None of us is without some confusion or bewilderment. But, part of "our" (humanity) problem is that by default, we based our perception on our pain and protection of the ego, a.k.a. self-justification.<br /><br />But if one dare find fault with themselves and carefully examine their behavior and thoughts and feelings, they can avoid many pitfalls and errors on perception. Maybe not perfect but reasonably effective. that is, unless the gates are not working well or are leaky.<br /><br />I have seen people go through horrible abuse and still make some sense of life and turn it around and find some relief and serenity. yes, it is a release of oxytocin, no doubt, but it works. We all die sooner or later anyway. I doubt PT patients live all that much longer and if we were born by accident and without purpose, then death is no loss since we had no meaning to begin with. Just live and accept death when it comes, right? so whether internal pain killers or real relief, in the end it does not matter. Am I right?apollohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02040184843184207525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-61943925345145763562011-08-17T01:03:24.162-07:002011-08-17T01:03:24.162-07:00Hi,
I had a really good friend who became obsesse...Hi,<br /><br />I had a really good friend who became obsessed with 'not owning a motor car' because the car has come to symbolise everything fragmented in society. With the car comes the delusion that everything is greener on the other side of the country (via motorway).<br /><br />The same could be said of the Internet because of the vastly expanded market, now forcing everyone in the human world to compete on the superhighway for their business; this has f****d many local markets.<br /><br />Nevertheless the car is very likely here to stay (in one form or another). My former friend refuses to this day to drive one and this makes him feel better. Unfortunately this made me feel worse because (even though he can drive and has a drivers' licence) as friends I was always driving him and he was always the passenger.<br /><br />This began to produce in me a sort of hypnotic dissociation in which I felt powerless in the relationship with him; my emotional loyalty was in effect divided by his belief system. When I asked him to clarify the situation he fumbled with a pocket full of unexamined assumptions including the fear of crashing and killing someone, pollutiung the planet and finally that he was too disabled. . . . This is a man that used to ride motorcycles, still cycles in traffic, plays badminton, flies Easyjet often etc.<br /><br />The funny thing about belief systems is that it is impossible to comprehend how the one you subscribe to becomes the hall of mirrors in which you yourself become trapped in the reflection of your own invisible self.<br /><br />Mostly other people can see, but you can't.<br /><br />This is the true terror of the human condition and it is all 'inside us' not 'outside us'. We can only really address our own individual situation in life and no matter how strident and passionate we feel about "other people" and what they should and shouldn't be doing I for one benefit from reminding myself that only I can change me. To do that I need a little help from some professionals in California.<br /><br />I've also noticed the more I feel strongly about that idea (California etc) the more I throw up future obstacles (in my mind).<br /><br />It's a hall of mirrors.<br /><br />Paul G.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02006514330039884557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-62671224853671597932011-08-15T23:02:18.651-07:002011-08-15T23:02:18.651-07:00I have always thought that we as humans are given ...I have always thought that we as humans are given an ability to observe ourselves and ponder ourselves. But the pain being recorded while we are not aware is fascinating. Art has written about it many times. I wonder about some events in my life. Some big pain for sure.<br /><br />Paul,<br /><br />Your discussion on groups was interesting though slightly confusing for a while. A lot of head games go on in business. Politics, too. Spy agencies even more. It all revolves around only feeding info to others on a need to know basis and everything else taken on faith without understanding.<br /><br />But as regards the 60, I have heard between 60 and 120. Hutterites in Canada and northern USA like in the Dakotas, found 60-120 a good range to stay within. Jehovah’s witnesses have found similar. I say much of our instability results from too much change and not enough continuity. In former times, we grew up in the same area and had time to get to know everyone and know what to expect, for the most part. So much is unknown today and stays that way. We can not get used to anything. Constant change and faster than ever before. Technology used to last a while. Not any more.<br /><br />Nothing about our society is healthy. It is that way by design. A world that does not care about people and pain, but only control and manipulation. And the pain just continues to accumulate and grow. It can’t be a good thing, for sure.apollohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02040184843184207525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-45424302536201173002011-08-15T14:09:11.370-07:002011-08-15T14:09:11.370-07:00Hi,
I have to say that all this is very informati...Hi,<br /><br />I have to say that all this is very informative to me because of my interest in groups and facilitation. It explains some strange things that can happen when loyalties are divided in a group situation.<br /><br />For a simple example: A needs to meet B on the basis of Bs' telephone conversation with C. A knows C. Unfortunately C has not informed A of the purpose, relying on B to be the messenger.<br /><br />A split in consciousness is beginning.<br /><br />A meets B only to find that he is now 3rd in line in the pecking order, A is wondering why C did not tell A directly himself. . . gradually a dissociation is forming in As' mind because there have not been clear indications about the transaction; A is disinclined to ask B (who is just the messenger) and disinclined to ask C until the transaction is complete/ ie: resolved.<br /><br />The dissociation is the grey area where a third party has loyalties with two (or more) disparate parties.<br /><br />One or more of the parties can become dissociated precisely because of the grey area in the transaction. This happens in what is called "Authoritarian" style management where the "boss" has only private 'one to one' relations with each individual on a 'need to know basis'. Gradually this kind of superficiality makes people dissociated because (by default) they have to go to sleep in the grey areas, filled with the unexamined detail, the unexamined loyalties.<br /><br />So much unnecessary grief is caused for even relatively un-neurotic people through the failure to consider how the loyalties are to be addressed when command is given. Even more grief for neurotics like me who are obsessed by the loyalties in groups. I digress, my point is that this 'hypnotic dissociation' is obviously a predictable result of groups that are too big where conflicting loyalties are widespread and resolution never going to happen.<br /><br />It has been said that we need to live in groups of about 60 or so, so that we can always remember the names of all the people and (over time) comprehend the intricacies within. This would result in children growing into adults who would naturally challenge unexamined assumptions rather than dissociate when faced with them.<br /><br />Paul G.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02006514330039884557noreply@blogger.com