tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post4294769819414323737..comments2024-02-11T18:16:53.445-08:00Comments on Janov's Reflections on the Human Condition: The Simple Truth is Revolutionary: The Pollyanna Effect of Looking for the PositiveArthur Janovhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16709863014923629409noreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-80799676399882337152011-11-24T02:07:34.764-08:002011-11-24T02:07:34.764-08:00My friend Miguel just posted this to Fbook, for so...My friend Miguel just posted this to Fbook, for some reason I'm not notified the blogs even tho I'm signed up.<br />@Walden &Art, mostly Art: doesn't the feeling you'r going crazy in PT signify major feelings on the rise? Wouldn't it be a good idea patients are informed this prior therapy (forgive me if they already are).<br />@Marco: I have no belief system (other than Primal), and (mostly) smile, feel, sing, dance a lot, but I have yet to receive PT. I can't wait to.<br />@Art: interesting, you take patients you believe will benefit from the therapy, I didn't know that there was a selective process. I love this theory/therapy and after 21yrs learn something new about it all the time.<br />JacquieJacquiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10794214106644328210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-67831230419632297862010-11-04T23:14:50.910-07:002010-11-04T23:14:50.910-07:00One more for Dr. Janov: After leaving a comment he...One more for Dr. Janov: After leaving a comment here regarding the "Bodies" Exhibit I went to see, I got to thinking: <br /> When we were inside the Womb and let's say using a "Time Window" of aprox. 8 months into developement, is it possible that our minds made notes of daily goings on and thus made imprints in our minds of certain feelings and movements and so forth during this period? Realizing how at that stage in life we had No Verbal skills or Vocabulary to work with to let's "Jot Down" an experience or two, but in our minds wouldn't it be plausible to establish the possiblity of these feelings and experiences would later in life say as children and even as adults manifest themselves in some way or another? Even perhaps distorting current realities and or perceptions about people and things and feelings... because of very early imprints and feelings established inside the Womb? So Ummm...Whaddayathink Doc?JerrysGoogleBloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13775499569635106502noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-2741122168085121672010-09-03T01:41:21.613-07:002010-09-03T01:41:21.613-07:00Andrew: It was it was. I have no idea when it wil...Andrew: It was it was. I have no idea when it will be out as it is a biography not an autobiography. art janovArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-38996190573978465362010-09-02T02:07:09.201-07:002010-09-02T02:07:09.201-07:00Art: Looking forward to that biography. Your life ...Art: Looking forward to that biography. Your life sure seems to have been an adventure!Andrew D Atkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04492591375757227409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-14546580689436280862010-09-01T02:05:43.406-07:002010-09-01T02:05:43.406-07:00Jerry: Yep. new studies show that the crib death ...Jerry: Yep. new studies show that the crib death babies are very low in serotonin. My guess is that womb trauma and birth trauma cause a radical lowering of serotonin in the baby so that when now in the dark all alone and terrified there is not enough suppressants in his system to combat the terror. He succombs. art janovArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-85731996305305469762010-09-01T02:03:30.343-07:002010-09-01T02:03:30.343-07:00Erron: It was the navy. It changed my life and le...Erron: It was the navy. It changed my life and let me see what the world was about. The service is a great equalizer. Nobody, except officers, was better than anyone else. art janovArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-47337418035962334482010-08-31T16:27:56.682-07:002010-08-31T16:27:56.682-07:00>>>
She called my father daddy and she ob...>>><br />She called my father daddy and she obeyed orders like the rest of us. art <br /><<<<br /><br />wow Art, is that why you went into the Army? Thanks for sharing...<br /><br />Erronraindoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09714998714610881831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-8530628507392268342010-08-30T19:55:28.593-07:002010-08-30T19:55:28.593-07:00Jerry, psychotherapy is the handmaiden, the arm o...Jerry, psychotherapy is the handmaiden, the arm of the psychotherapeutic/bigpharm industry. AJArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-66468001471216662912010-08-30T19:54:21.244-07:002010-08-30T19:54:21.244-07:00Marco: I called my mother kid because she was a fi...Marco: I called my mother kid because she was a five year old and never progressed beyond it. She called my father daddy and she obeyed orders like the rest of us. artArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-40374897637030249962010-08-30T17:42:12.957-07:002010-08-30T17:42:12.957-07:00For Dr. Janov: Your comment or reply to Erron here...For Dr. Janov: Your comment or reply to Erron here....<br />You consider the field of psychology and psychotherapy "Bankrupt"....<br /> That's an interesting observation Dr. Janov. I was involved in Psychotherapy for quite a number of years....it's a one on one in a quiet office. Yes the therapist can point out probs that I have about myself in a session...but What to DO to resolve them and change them didn't seem to work too whippy. I did benefit from the therapy in certain ways tho.<br /> Here's the part Dr. Janov where I can't get with it in this type of "Therapy"....It's the administering of TriCyclic Anitdepresants...q.i.d. if you will. These lil' puppies candy coat the problem nicely....but nothing really changes in deep or real and lasting ways...one just becomes totaly addicted to TriCyclic Meds. Oh...and for "Anixiety" ....there are tons of psychotheraputic drugs for that prob too. Diazipam or Valum or Stelezine, Benedryl...many of these drugs are Antihisimine Based.... Again..it doesn't "Remove" anxiety...simply soothes it for awhile until your next hit (pill)<br /> Sleeping Probs..?? Well now that ya mention it...Gosh they have "Hypnotics" that'll get that Prob nipped in the bud... in no time...and of course you end up either psyhologically addicted to em or physically addicted...i.e. 500 mgs -q.s....Quailudes....Dalmane...Sominex? if ya get ma drift here Dr. Janov.<br /> Primal Therapy in my own personal experience...eventually allowed ME with the opportunity to work on and with the underlying potientials that cause these numerous probs. It helped me....alot most sincerely.<br /> ( Once I got off of all those Mind Candies Completely.) <br /> I got more and more dysfunctional the longer I took those Meds. Sincerely. I became more and more fearful in time....not knowing what to do to change all of this dysfunction going on inside of me.<br /> I think they used to call it: The Primal Alternative years ago....I'm thankful I got to experience this approach to therapy.JerrysGoogleBloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13775499569635106502noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-19173929740895481232010-08-30T17:16:22.743-07:002010-08-30T17:16:22.743-07:00Dr Janov: Hmmm...why did you call your mother `kid...Dr Janov: Hmmm...why did you call your mother `kid`? Why did you call me `kid`? Sounds psychologically suspect...<br /><br />In that vein, check out these lyrics from the song 'Gee, Officer Krupke`, from the incomparable movie musical `West Side Story':<br /><br /><br />Dear kindly Sergeant Krupke, <br />You gotta understand, <br />It's just our bringin' up-ke <br />That gets us out of hand. <br />Our mothers all are junkies, <br />Our fathers all are drunks. <br />Golly Moses, natcherly we're punks! <br /><br />Marcomacor22https://www.blogger.com/profile/00652948318839690382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-67410665610245742472010-08-30T14:55:08.422-07:002010-08-30T14:55:08.422-07:00Erron: It is a residency after formal training. ...Erron: It is a residency after formal training. But we need to learn a minimum about physiology and neurology and something about psychology. I consider the field of psychology and psychotherapy bankrupt. AJArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-49338414449139544452010-08-30T00:29:19.600-07:002010-08-30T00:29:19.600-07:00Marco: Hi kid. (I called my mother kid), the reas...Marco: Hi kid. (I called my mother kid), the reasons for your inquiry would form a book. It is very complicated and I may write a piece about it soon. Generally, if the patient cooperates chances are very good that she will do well in therapy. It seems immodest to say but we don't fail that much. We also take those whom we feel will gain from the therapy. But we have seen people from about thirty countries with every kind of affliction you can think of and we have a good success rate. Why? Because it all makes sense, and we are digging into nature, not some theoretical concoction someone dreamed up. We are after the laws in the human condition. We follow feelings and take the route that neurology dictates. We try never to contravene evolution and its laws. We try always to avoid preconceived notions. That is the best way to go wrong. art janovArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-30878541096886457342010-08-29T22:50:02.978-07:002010-08-29T22:50:02.978-07:00Hi Art,
I read the ‘ABOUT OUR THERAPY’ part with ...Hi Art,<br /><br />I read the ‘ABOUT OUR THERAPY’ part with interest. Does this mean the therapy is shortened now, compared with in the past (I think you have quoted around 12-18 months minimum)? Also, you state that it takes about 6 years to train a therapist, yet the site’s details on therapist training only mention years 1-3. Are the later years ‘residency’ years, without further formal training?<br /><br />Erronraindoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09714998714610881831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-216151275569784042010-08-28T16:47:28.653-07:002010-08-28T16:47:28.653-07:00Hi Art and all:
Nothing directly to do with Prima...Hi Art and all:<br /><br />Nothing directly to do with Primal, but this is an important documentary for all Americans to look at I believe. It's very real. (And they explain your property bubble/collapse almost completely).<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6FNYvC4uyM&feature=player_embedded<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Jlt9lHVS8E<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_17ck3Vti8A<br /><br />To be honest, I'm looking forward to the American economy caving in severely because it will make PT much cheaper relative to the NZ currency. Sorry for being a bit selfish(?).Andrew D Atkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04492591375757227409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-89258294978256514372010-08-27T14:34:12.895-07:002010-08-27T14:34:12.895-07:00Dr Janov: Why do you think Primal works somewhat o...Dr Janov: Why do you think Primal works somewhat or a lot for some, and not for others?macor22https://www.blogger.com/profile/00652948318839690382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-178118924621164612010-08-27T03:51:33.620-07:002010-08-27T03:51:33.620-07:00Richard: Now who said that Primal Therapy works fo...Richard: Now who said that Primal Therapy works for everyone?! Not even aspirin works for everyone. Listen, just before you pontificate, which I accept, try reading my work, and then realize that it takes many years to train a therapist, no less than six years. And we are learning about this process every day. I did a session yesterday and still learned something new; after 43 years of this. About high quality triggers, come try it and then we will see what you think. Ah, the intellect, tantot bien et tantot horrible. art janovArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-3352060157508832792010-08-26T16:48:26.137-07:002010-08-26T16:48:26.137-07:00To Kaz, our favorite in-house reactionary and Rand...To Kaz, our favorite in-house reactionary and Randian: If you don't like Janov, why don't you check out Nathaniel Branden's books on psychology, he the former lover and disciple of Ayn Rand (I say "former" because he sufferred the lash of Rand's bitter personality).That's probably more your speed. You might also check out the people at The College of Orgonomy, disciples of Wilhelm Reich,whom I admire. My difference with the C. of Orgonomy is that they are pretty right-wing (see their political writings), but the are also environmentalists, and compassionnate, and would not abandon homeles neurotics to the fates.See the book "Man in the Trap" ( a Reichian book)by Ellsworth Baker, founder of this college.Especially the chapter "The Socio-political Character Types", which explains the apparent neurotic deviations of BOTH Right and Left (I can't confirm his conclusions, because I lack the personal and professionnal experience,but they are still intriguing to me).<br /><br />On Babbitry: Yes, these persons provide useful services, but they also pollute the cultural atmosphere with money obsessions,their shallow bourgeois morality, their indifference to the environment, their lack of compassion towards those who cannot make it in our economic system (let them starve!!).And I can go on... See "Babbitt" and "Elmer Gantry" by Sinclair Lewis. <br /><br />Re: the stong arm of the State that supposedly steals from you to give to the "unworthy". Well, you right-wingers don't mind excessive spending on the military, poilce, and prisons (with little attempt at rehabilition of prisoners). As far as welfare,what happens to homeless and malnourished people that private charities may not all be able to help? Just let them freeze and starve? I say: use the power of the State to FORCE people to pay taxes to provide a minimal safety net for all, whether they like it or not.I don't have a problem with that at all! I'd be glad to assist the IRS in raiding your bank account, if necessary! <br /><br />Regarding the longevity of neurotics: I think Dr Janov probably means that ,on the average,statistically speaking,neurotics live shorter lives. That means that some , like Reagen and my fascist mother (85), may survive longer. All this would , of course, have to be researched with a cross-section of the population over a long period of time, to confirm or deny Dr Janov's assertions.<br /><br />Regarding the Truthers and Chomsyites: I would definitely classify their worlviews as neurotic in their excessive fundamentalist anti-Americanism. I just broke a 15 year acquaintanceship with an US ex-patriate because I was sick and tired with his rigid progressive views and corresponding irritating personality.In the case of the Truthers they are plain paranoid, and I made that point in a letter- to - the editor recently. One guy wrote me back saying that it was the first time he had been backed so clearly in his personal war against the Truthers, who discredit the Left.Not all of us on the Left are Chomskyites; Arthur Schlesinger Jr., Robert Kennedy, and Franklin Roosevelt were much saner, in my opinion. Saner and more decent also than Reagen and Friedman and Bush, that's for sure!.<br /><br />Marcomacor22https://www.blogger.com/profile/00652948318839690382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-41479475130555096792010-08-26T15:57:49.502-07:002010-08-26T15:57:49.502-07:00Thanks Dr Janov for your comments about John Lenno...Thanks Dr Janov for your comments about John Lennon and Yoko. What you and John say makes sense. I remember about a year ago, walking down a street here in my city,and seeing a poster for a major artistic exhibition about John and Yoko that was in town.It was a huge picture of them, both sitting up in a bed when they were here 40 years ago on a tour for peace and understanding (while the hippie sentiments of the time are now a bit too sentimental and Ghandian for my tastes, I think the core of their intentions were honest). I stood gazing at this photo for a few minutes and felt a connection to them, some good vibes amidst the bad vibes of the Big City. A smile came to my face... <br /> Too bad he and George are not around anymore. Well, at least Ringo and Paul are, and that comforts me. Ringo just turned 70, and , I must say, he looked in fine shape in the video of his birthday party. And Paul was recently in town for a concert, still rockin away in his late 60's.<br /><br />Marcomacor22https://www.blogger.com/profile/00652948318839690382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-11771454438510344382010-08-26T10:49:05.227-07:002010-08-26T10:49:05.227-07:00Walden: Hang on. My book Beyond Belief has been...Walden: Hang on. My book Beyond Belief has been submitted to a publisher. art janovArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-46089592661711832472010-08-26T10:45:03.536-07:002010-08-26T10:45:03.536-07:00Marco: John Lennon said it: (after our discussion...Marco: John Lennon said it: (after our discussion about what counts) he only believes in love.....yoko and me. There is very little else. art janovArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-64031620429353503942010-08-26T10:38:12.558-07:002010-08-26T10:38:12.558-07:00Jerry: i don't really know. I will ask around...Jerry: i don't really know. I will ask around. art janovArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-79602452641097870172010-08-26T03:26:43.482-07:002010-08-26T03:26:43.482-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Richard Atkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13587935146938446604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-37538163924389458192010-08-25T18:40:00.729-07:002010-08-25T18:40:00.729-07:00Belief systems is a fascinating topic. There need...Belief systems is a fascinating topic. There needs to be an article that looks at the other side, too, not just the Pollyanna form.<br /><br />And then there is the reflective angle that says "what belief system knits this very community of blog people together?". Are we also killing our pain in the continual knitting of those beliefs, or are we different?<br /><br />Of course, when I say "we" I'm being a little poetic, because I've drifted away from many of these beliefs, at least in their more literal or classic form.<br /><br />I really wish this space were being used to show what Primal Therapy is in principle and on a small scale. Art touches that ever so slightly at the top in the quote about honesty with one's self. Why not a more experiental form of that right here, instead of the more usual stone throwing? (Woops, was that critical? Sorry.)<br /><br />Just some random thoughts.<br /><br />WaldenWaldenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10764833480863624204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-45936751713091381662010-08-25T16:22:45.427-07:002010-08-25T16:22:45.427-07:00Dr Janov: Are there any belief systems extent that...Dr Janov: Are there any belief systems extent that reflect groups of relatively healthy people? or would a healthy person not have a belief system, just smile,feel, sing,and dance a lot?<br /><br />Marcomacor22https://www.blogger.com/profile/00652948318839690382noreply@blogger.com