tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post3218905738619391658..comments2024-02-11T18:16:53.445-08:00Comments on Janov's Reflections on the Human Condition: The Simple Truth is Revolutionary: Compulsion: Another Brilliant Piece from the N.Y. TimesArthur Janovhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16709863014923629409noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-88288059679986491832014-11-14T16:54:53.656-08:002014-11-14T16:54:53.656-08:00Off topic:
Just recently I made a video on "...Off topic:<br /><br />Just recently I made a video on "housing affordability" for New Zealand. What I notice is that whenever I develop anything like this I can never do it without a feeling of open-ended time. My brother, Richard, is exactly the same. You just can't 'immerse' if you're worried about the clock.<br /><br />Reminded me of Primal therapy's open-ended sessions. Feelings (or work requiring some immersive feeling) don't conform to a clock, and simply can't do so. Andrew D Atkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04492591375757227409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-82496878479395964272014-11-09T13:49:59.602-08:002014-11-09T13:49:59.602-08:00Hi,
between these two extremes (180 degrees) lies...Hi,<br /><br />between these two extremes (180 degrees) lies "Primal Culture". <br /><br />Paul G.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02006514330039884557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-17979938428135456092014-11-08T02:16:23.395-08:002014-11-08T02:16:23.395-08:00Hi planespotter, thanks for your feedback.
-"...Hi planespotter, thanks for your feedback.<br /><br />-"Even the government agency's don't think much of it but they don't have anything else"-.<br /><br />Unfortunately (and this is strictly MY 'opinion' based on MY observations), there are some (influential) individuals in these agencies who's psyche reflects perfectly the premises of CBT; they are therefore ardent protagonists for it.<br /><br />It seems to me that CBT also reflects perfectly how & why repression works and why beliefs can be used to strengthen repression. This so by the unexamined assumption that thoughts rule. . . Or that thoughts SHOULD rule.<br /><br />Thinking requires little conviction or commitment to action (which speaks louder than words) and so CBT (as a set of ideals) wins hand over fist as an inexpensive FOP to these agencies aims and objects.<br /><br />Just like antidepressants can be used as a palliative for homelessness: (pills cost much less than homes); so thoughts cost less than feelings. . . It's all about the bottom line and maintaining repression FOR the status quo. As Sieglinde said before, it kind of looks like a conspiracy but the conspirators don't understand their own repressive drives and when they collude together they do only in so far as feelings are perceived by them as TRICKY and best avoided.<br /><br />It's an un-conscious collusion by MOST people. This makes it worse because any thoughts can be propagated as a substitute for the truth about human feelings whilst collective human pain remains submerged and reaping havoc with public health. <br /><br />There has recently been a drive to 'Preventative Medicine' due to the horrendous explosion in illness and I sense that when Primal is finally accepted it will be because it is PREVENTATIVE theory and will eventually SAVE MONEY. It's just that the (so called) experts do not realise how seriously ill most people are because repression does such a good job of hiding the problem in the early stages.<br /><br />I know you know all of this stuff but these 'certain individuals' in government agencies I harp on about are themselves 'repression in motion' without knowing it. In conversation with one of them about this I put it to her (and she agreed with me) that if she were repressed she would know about it. . . She did not understand (nor want to understand) that this is exactly what repression does. . . As a professional she had been trained and could sense the denial in others but NOT in herself. A £35,000 government salary guarantees that.<br /><br />Paul G.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02006514330039884557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-17380715819512466942014-11-08T00:53:25.767-08:002014-11-08T00:53:25.767-08:00Well put. artWell put. artArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-20671148154104721512014-11-07T14:39:27.996-08:002014-11-07T14:39:27.996-08:00Hi,
-"There is a world of science out there ...Hi,<br /><br />-"There is a world of science out there that therapists ignore"-.<br /><br />And there is a world of history IN there that therapists ignore"-.<br /><br />Paul G.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02006514330039884557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-16456942743694473852014-11-05T06:52:57.560-08:002014-11-05T06:52:57.560-08:00Dr. Janov,
I feel this is it exactly: "… anxi...Dr. Janov,<br />I feel this is it exactly: "… anxiety provokes thoughts.” Not vice versa. <br />My interpretation of “evidenced-based therapy” is behavior observation. If the evidence is based on observation (visual/cognitive) then the therapist cannot find out WHY the client tends to compulsion. <br />The method usually based on exposure therapy is called 'flooding', and is based in behavioral therapy. http://www.psychologistworld.com/behavior/flooding.php<br />Flooding is very heavily used in Germany, Austria and Swiss. <br />Sieglinde<br />S. W. Alexanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12087227301358286386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-78557204797691692892014-11-05T01:54:49.883-08:002014-11-05T01:54:49.883-08:00Vuko, right now is won't be possible, we are t...Vuko, right now is won't be possible, we are too loaded. I'm sorry, artArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-37669438927261377422014-11-05T00:32:12.364-08:002014-11-05T00:32:12.364-08:00Hi Art,
wrote the letter about LDN, and meant to ...Hi Art,<br /> wrote the letter about LDN, and meant to say: "It might behoove you to know about LDN"<br />My English improves daily but is not perfect yet. Please edit if you want to.<br /><br />I want to also take this opportunity to thank you again. My childhood could be likened to having grown up in a torture camp. Constant severe beatings, screaming and hatred. Being the youngest of eight children, I was the dumping ground for everyone else in the house. I was not allowed to talk. They never talked to or with me, only at me. There was zero intellectual stimulation and the only emotion that was all around was intense anger. I shut down completely.<br /><br />I could not think at all. My mind was all over the place, and also frozen at the same time. I had ADHD, running around like a loose cannon. Never loved, never held or touched in a caring and loving way. <br /><br />Today I am quantum leaps away from all of that, thanks to PT that I started in 1980. My primals are classic 3-2-1 and it is wonderful to just be alive! The changes that have happened to me , and are still happening, occurs at an exponential rate. My cognitive processes are so much clearer than ever, and I am vey much in touch with my feelings, and I can be vulnerable and sensitive and caring, qualities I never had.<br /><br />So thanks a million Art. May you stay forever young.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-2978213364317029322014-11-04T14:08:46.713-08:002014-11-04T14:08:46.713-08:00Hi Paul,
would you like to have a possibility for ...Hi Paul,<br />would you like to have a possibility for communication (counselling) with some qualified person in Primal Center? <br />Art, is it possible to arrange something like this. once a week or twice a month or...?<br /><br />talking with someone who really understand and who is knowledgeable can help i think. vukonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-59231368261810309002014-11-04T01:14:10.323-08:002014-11-04T01:14:10.323-08:00This is an excellent post. Most of what Dr. Janov...This is an excellent post. Most of what Dr. Janov has to say, I have saved to computer;or have printed pages out as to what he has to say; always good for reference or to read again, to help me understand what goes on. As I have said before, Dr. Janov is brilliant beachcoast7https://www.blogger.com/profile/17348238170525257587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-69557907096949364662014-11-03T14:08:16.535-08:002014-11-03T14:08:16.535-08:00Hi vuko,
I like your response. . . It has occurre...Hi vuko,<br /><br />I like your response. . . It has occurred to me that Art 'needs' his patients and us on this blog because he also still has 'needs'. . .<br /><br />I don't think 'needs' ever go away. . . till we die. . . Anyway, I watched the same video of the lion meeting his trainer that triggered a primal in Art recently and I burst into tears myself. . . Not only because I knew Art had seen it but because I also have 'needs' which resonate back to a time when I wanted so badly to be loved and hugged.<br /><br />That lion. . . Wow, rubbing his (her?) nose and cheeks against his. . . cuddling up to him. . . Bless.<br /><br /><br />Paul G.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02006514330039884557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-17296739364672473672014-11-03T10:57:09.574-08:002014-11-03T10:57:09.574-08:00Another great article from Art Janov - a critique ...Another great article from Art Janov - a critique of an establishment-newspaper article - Mr J does a great dissection without over-relying upon clinical mumbo-jumbo to prove his points all written in nice easy going style of common sense and exposing the real mumbo-jumbo now espoused by 'psychotherapists' claiming that a little tweak here of our behaviour or a little 'insight' there is going to make some profound difference to personal problems that actually date back to childhood - well done Mr Janov lets have some more.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09743501332534825927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-66212929684792653462014-11-03T10:54:57.783-08:002014-11-03T10:54:57.783-08:00Hi Paul
The two therapists (one ok and one very g...Hi Paul<br /><br />The two therapists (one ok and one very good) I saw before doing Primal Therapy both said that no-one they knew (colleagues etc) thought CBT was any good. In fact they said it was total bunk. I was also told that even the government agency's don't think much of it but they don't have anything else and would have to wake up to the cruelty and hurt visited on millions of children in the name of good parenting if they were to find something more effective.<br /><br />With regard to MS, Alice Miller was of the opinion that it was a physiological expression of physcological pain. Seems reasonable. A bit like Irritable Bowel Syndrom or ME both of which would seem to be in the same kind of space.<br /><br />I totally understand you experiencing the exhaustion and weakness. I went through that a great deal about 5 years ago when I first started to get in touch with what happened to me. I get it occassionally now. How I approached it was not to fight it but almost consider it my friend as it was body trying to tell me something. To dive into it and really feel it. I found that if I stayed with it often insights would emerge over a few days and the exhaustion and weakness would go. Have you read "The Body Never Lies" by Alice Miller. A really great book.<br /><br />Good luckplanespotterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05315637682741508786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-34357385234338742192014-11-02T13:50:46.716-08:002014-11-02T13:50:46.716-08:00this subject is close to my hearth or should i say...this subject is close to my hearth or should i say my brainstem. not much use in having insights when the first line engine gets its momentum. <br />i think Art, whenever you talk about symptoms you should agree with "colleagues"<br />that symptoms are treatable. not argue about it. maybe even epigenetics are part of machinery of symptoms. we will see... the whole objective holly grail sometimes seems neurotic to me... maybe you are excited by many new research data because they all support connections you made subjectively. there you can see (but others don't) the proof of your work and your theory. could it be that the birth of new knowledge is always subjective. without that foundation we get easily corrupted and fooled. without the subjective science there is more chance the data will be manipulated. marketed for some crazy goal. totally lose the meaning.<br />where is the truth and belief if it is not rooted inside us? <br />i wish i could say something that i am sure of. sorry for vagueness... your blogs AND comments are always pushing me to the edge of me.<br /><br />i see now> you don't want to stop calling them your colleagues and you even accept their scientific language but in a way you consciously put yourself in a trap of trying to prove what can't be proven to people that can't understand it. maybe you don't feel trapped but it is not easy place to be.vukonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-18924043123036903512014-11-02T04:36:03.104-08:002014-11-02T04:36:03.104-08:00My best friend ever!
I have no problem to see ho...My best friend ever! <br /><br />I have no problem to see how negative input can push someone the wrong direction ... but what negative content represents is not always in a sense to be negative they evoke only negative experiences ... experiences oneself are cemented at or long since cemented ever since childhood. <br /><br />Paul, I am your best friend... for all what you express but in the same time I hope that you can accept what comes out of my mouth as not always is of a negative sense even if you perceive it so ... let us explain ourselves! <br /><br />If the content presented without disparaging sentences so as silly or another in guiding purpose of personal gain without respect or content... then is the question far from what the content presented and we stand against each other like two politicians trying to score points more than be of love for each other. Love in the sense of what life all is about!<br /><br />My "need" to make you "stupid" is of may own "stupidity" and everything is lost. Or save my life... long time ago! <br /><br />Your FrankFrankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02242354226308728116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-18335111510324205222014-11-02T02:28:12.193-08:002014-11-02T02:28:12.193-08:00Hi,
On CBT:
My doctor said: "if you don'...Hi,<br /><br />On CBT:<br /><br />My doctor said: "if you don't believe in it, it won't work" and more or less told/looked at me as if I were being deliberately 'resistant'.<br /><br />Where on earth is all this EVIDENCE that CBT actually works ? ? ? WHO are these people that benefit from yet another BELIEF SYSTEM ? ? ? HOW did they get "well" ? ? ?<br /><br />Too many unanswered questions. . . And if I know anything about statistics I bet the authorities use extremely partial test groups.<br /><br />On another note, I met some people who have Multiple Sclerosis last night. They are part of a support group and were out for dinner, we got talking. It's an 'auto-immune disease'. Like arthritis the immune system starts attacking parts of the body. One of these sufferers said she had been 'given' CBT and she agreed it was a pointless exercise. . . She's on anti-depressants, she believes in God and an afterlife. Seeing her take 15 minutes to get up and go on her walker I kind of didn't want to rob her of her beliefs. . . I decided to tone down the conversation I had struck up with her about Arts work. But nevertheless I gave her the Blog & book info. She agreed KNOWING the TRUTH is better than remaining ignorant.<br /><br />I wonder if MS & Arthritis is some kind of maladaptive reaction to neurotic pain ?<br /><br />The body attacking itself. Like self harm or blame. I'm really concerned because since all this stress has been put onto me from OUTSIDE (and I gave up smoking) I have developed severe symptoms which seem a lot like MS and my arthritis has got worse.<br /><br />I'm really struggling at work too. Exhausted and weak all the time.<br /><br />As I said before I am struggling with self blame. . . I don't want to go back to that doctor because he'll probably tell me I have an attitude problem. . . No he won't, but of-course it's bound to be MY FAULT that I'm stressed and getting ill. It's all my fault isn't it ? ? ?<br /><br />Paul G.<br />Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02006514330039884557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-54762109204826592892014-11-01T14:29:55.157-07:002014-11-01T14:29:55.157-07:00Thanks Richard. artThanks Richard. artArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-72489482958442001142014-10-31T16:54:24.019-07:002014-10-31T16:54:24.019-07:00Hi,
This is for Frank in particular:
-"Do y...Hi,<br /><br />This is for Frank in particular:<br /><br />-"Do you have thoughts that make you anxious"-.?<br /><br />What is it that caused me to so quickly see the facts are actually the other way around? <br /><br />Art said The horse refers to us. . . So simple. . .<br /><br />Perhaps I delude myself but I have always been fascinated by "Cause & Effect". Curiosity and technology have always been my 'toys'. . . A + B = C. . . That kind of thing. Constructive / De-constructive. . . Etc.<br /><br />Anyway, when presented by the facts on this blog 4 years ago, it didn't take me long to understand the basics of Primal Theory. . . What is still taking time is peeling the layers of denial away; my defenses. <br /><br />The reason why people still believe fundamentally in the power of (positive) thought is because they MUST DENY their PAIN and LIVE in the ramparts of their MINDS. It's all "out there" for them isn't it?<br /><br />I still do it, but now mainly to SURVIVE the NEGATIVE JUDGEMENTS on me FROM OUTSIDE regarding the controversial issues going on in my family. <br />I do all this research on-line to STRENGTHEN my CRITICAL FACULTIES because I NEED TO STOP BELIEVING the criticisms leveled at me by these other COGNITIVE TYRANTS which make me feel like I WANT TO DIE.<br /><br />There's a kind of irony in that isn't there? I mean, if you know about some-one's traumas then you can indeed put negative thoughts into their heads and get negative results. . . SO HEY PRESTO thoughts can effect feelings! <br /><br />CBT is therefore a tyrannical psych wing of the controlling forces; it is based on a perversion of the truth about RESONANCE DOWN. . . -"You had better think POSITIVE or else we will put NEGATIVE thoughts into your head instead"-. Remember: You must be MAD (& bad) not to THINK POSITIVELY.<br /><br />So all my mental machinations are a survival strategy to protect me and my family from the behaviorist government vultures who have hijacked my grandson. Worse still, to protect myself from former 'friends' and so called therapists who have colluded to do same.<br /><br />Paul G.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02006514330039884557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-74208692582605257802014-10-31T15:00:31.616-07:002014-10-31T15:00:31.616-07:00I like this post, Art. Very well put.I like this post, Art. Very well put.Richard Atkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13587935146938446604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-29194630185836589852014-10-31T01:58:28.254-07:002014-10-31T01:58:28.254-07:00Ha...ha, one must think that what I right comes fr...Ha...ha, one must think that what I right comes from a person who thinks everything is just "peachy keen" and that I have lived in a "peachy kieen world"...that is a joke. Aside from my family, who were always strict with me, including siblings, I have been shown great prejudice against, just for being myself. So now, I do try to build some type of strengh for people, some type of foundation, try to reason for why some people, kids are the way they are,....and what it comes down to always... maybe I just don't have quite the literary writing (vocabulary). This is o.k.....I think Dr. Janov is great. Possibly one thinks I get to personal in posts, but reading others, I don't think so, but whatever. .....beachcoast7https://www.blogger.com/profile/17348238170525257587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-17714946725171941682014-10-30T18:06:19.715-07:002014-10-30T18:06:19.715-07:00Hi,
I read in the Times today that "Britons ...Hi,<br /><br />I read in the Times today that "Britons are born grumpy".<br /><br />Andrew Oswald at Warwick University UK is the researcher. Britons have a "short form" of the genes that regulate serotonin. So this explains why Britons are an island of "gloomy miserabilists".<br />Apparently the French are even more afflicted but the Danes enjoy a "long form" version of the "happiness gene" and their descendents elsewhere on the planet seem to be happier. . . Prof. Oswald does say there are other influences (epigenetics?)<br /><br />Is this just 'popular pseudo science' or does it explain (if only partly) why I am such a grumpy, cynical tradesman? I'm sure the recession has something to do with it.<br /><br />Paul G.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02006514330039884557noreply@blogger.com