tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post2124222572903817466..comments2024-02-11T18:16:53.445-08:00Comments on Janov's Reflections on the Human Condition: The Simple Truth is Revolutionary: More on Disease and Loving it AwayArthur Janovhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16709863014923629409noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-21175198412724450212012-02-29T14:14:15.787-08:002012-02-29T14:14:15.787-08:00Part 2:
His decree was at once obeyed, and she was...Part 2:<br />His decree was at once obeyed, and she was conveyed to the borders of the kingdom. The princess found herself set loose in a wild land which bore little resemblance to the sheltered surroundings of her upbringing. But she soon learned that a cave would serve for a house, that nuts and fruit came from trees as well as from golden plates, that warmth came from the Sun. This wilderness had a climate and a way of existing of its’ own.<br />After some time she had so ordered her life that she had water from s[prings, vegetables from the earth, fire from a smouldering tree.<br />“Here”, she said to herself, “is a life whose elements belong together, form a completeness, yet neither individually nor collectively do they obey the commands of my father the king”.<br />One day a lost traveller- as it happened a man of great riches and ingenuity- came apon the exiled princess, fell in love with her, and took her back to his own country, where they were married.<br />After a space of time, the two decided to return to the wilderness where they built a huge and prosperous city where their wisdom, resources and faith were expressed to their fullest possible extent. The “eccentrics” and other outcasts, many of them thought to be madmen, harmonized completely and usefully with this many – sided life.<br />The city and its’ surrounding countryside became renowned throughout the entire world. It was not long before its’ power and beauty far outshone that of the realm of the princess’ father.<br />By the unanimous choice of the inhabitants, the princess and her husband were elected to the joint monarchy of this new and ideal kingdom.<br />At length the king decided to visit the strange and mysterious place which had sprung up in a wilderness, and which was, he heard, peopled in part by those whom he despised.<br />As, with bowed head, he slowly approached the foot of the throne upon which the young couple sat and raised his eyes to meet those whose repute of justice, prosperity and understanding far exceeded his own, he was able to catch the murmured words of his daughter:<br />“You see, Father, every man and woman has his own fate and his own choice”.<br />(Quoted from Idris Shah, ‘Tales of the Dervishes’).<br /><br />Paul G.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02006514330039884557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-82914665244889735232012-02-20T01:07:27.395-08:002012-02-20T01:07:27.395-08:00The trouble is, is that what is really wanted? So ...The trouble is, is that what is really wanted? So many children are brought into the world to love the Parents and that is considered normal by many people. The people in power are also most often dazed and confused. They take power over the rest of us so they can feel powerful.<br /><br />However I am hopeful due to a number of things including the internet. It saved my life and sanity. The Arab spring is the most amazing uprising and it is about the people rising up against control and with that uprising comes an incremental gain in terms of respect for children. <br /><br />It is slow but it is happening. A slow move to full conciousness. <br /><br />http://www.naturalchild.org/planespotterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05315637682741508786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-67630653048070006122012-02-16T05:35:06.733-08:002012-02-16T05:35:06.733-08:00To all – interesting reading,
“Childhood maltreat...To all – interesting reading,<br /><br />“Childhood maltreatment or abuse is a major risk factor for mood, anxiety, substance abuse, psychotic, and personality disorders, and it is associated with reduced adult hippocampal volume. <br />Childhood maltreatment is associated with reduced volume in the hippocampal subfields CA3, dentate gyrus, and subiculum<br />Childhood maltreatment or abuse is a major risk factor for mood, anxiety, substance abuse, psychotic, and personality disorders, and it is associated with reduced adult hippocampal volume, particularly on the left side.” More at: http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2012/02/07/1115396109.abstract?sid=e85e3de9-70b3-4a2a-8a06-cf1de06b8c35<br /><br />What Professor Teicher has not included or researched is, how “abuse” (mothers stress, chemicals ect) effects the brain before birth. <br />SieglindeS. W. Alexanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12087227301358286386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-23373236436333474882012-02-15T10:15:57.432-08:002012-02-15T10:15:57.432-08:00Hi Jack & Art,
-"Art: Isn't even Pri...Hi Jack & Art,<br /><br />-"Art: Isn't even Primal Therapy (figuratively speaking) attempting to 'close the barn door after the horse has bolted?' You may say "not quite; we're going out to find the horse and putting it back in the barn" <br /><br />Well exactly; and it "ain't no picnic" either.<br /><br />Paul G.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02006514330039884557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-74309357803339027202012-02-13T13:01:43.888-08:002012-02-13T13:01:43.888-08:00Frank,
its amazing, you can read between my lines....Frank,<br />its amazing, you can read between my lines. <br />I know exactly where the little girl Sieglinde is – she is holding her breath, waiting for moment she can come out (out of her pain) again. And she will – soon!!!!!<br />SieglindeS. W. Alexanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12087227301358286386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-10804299978973031432012-02-13T01:07:55.533-08:002012-02-13T01:07:55.533-08:00Sieglinde
If you only knew how much there is of t...Sieglinde<br /><br />If you only knew how much there is of the little girl Sieglinde in your professional role... the little... little girl Sieglinde.<br /><br />FrankFrankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02242354226308728116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-20895257281853892652012-02-13T00:32:54.524-08:002012-02-13T00:32:54.524-08:00Hi Sieglinde,
This was terrible for you. At least...Hi Sieglinde,<br /><br />This was terrible for you. At least you were able to have really powerful emotions at the time, you did not doubt yourself at that time, at that moment when you were most aggrieved you were able to fully respond.<br /><br />It was only the adults around you that were being inhuman, you were and still are Human.<br /><br />Take care of yourself.<br /><br />Paul G.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02006514330039884557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-55713447122471094342012-02-12T08:26:34.959-08:002012-02-12T08:26:34.959-08:00Frank, I’m afraid many people don’t like to know a...Frank, I’m afraid many people don’t like to know about JPT. But, like you, I continue introducing JPT. I have sent out 4 “life before birth” to professionals and received no response. Only one response from a friend.<br />Frank, thank you, you gave me one key to the looked door: “my dad sleeping across the room... a treat of life and death… a memory… an experience of life and death.” <br />I would need more keys; this door is bolded with many locks. I know JPT will open this door, I’m impatient to know, but I’m also afraid it will confirm what I know from people have told me and I nebulously remember. The past, the trauma is our history, if we like it or not.<br />I was with my grandma the moment she died; she held my hand while we were on the way out of the front door when she had a stroke and fell backward. <br />Next picture; I slipped into the bedroom after the doctor left and laid beside grandma, whispering to her, holding her cold hand, not understanding that she was dead. <br />Next scene; when the black box with Grandma was let down in to the whole, my mother grabbed me as I try to jump screaming, as the black box going down into the grave. I remember these scenes but without any feelings – as you said they are frozen in time.<br />Our neighbor told me in 2002, I was screaming, disturbing the funeral, my mother had to take me away from funeral crowed and beat my behind to stop me from screaming. I think she also told me, my mother drugged me for a week or so, to calm me down. <br />SieglindeS. W. Alexanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12087227301358286386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-23258513549646062222012-02-11T04:05:14.325-08:002012-02-11T04:05:14.325-08:00That is it Seiglinde ... the pictures that meant s...That is it Seiglinde ... the pictures that meant something of catastrophic experiences... images in etched... frozen in order not to come a life and tell a horrific story... they have frozen to ice and will be until the day when the thaw... hopefully thaws in a primal therapeutic process... so they do not thaw involuntarily under any kind of attempt to get a better life.<br /><br />When I was five years old and saw my dad sleeping across the room... a treat of life and death… a memory… an experience of life and death... in etched... froze not to come a life because of the anxiety it brought up… anxiety of not daring to call on dad. What’s the physiological reaction in chemical is about… is for the primal science to tell about. "Dad I am here… please... I am so scared"… that is my way to knowledge of the happening... the words that belongs to the happening.<br /><br />In one way it has given me "strength"… I want to introduce Primal Therapy to Sweden… no one shall be able to stop such a “blessing” for the humans. One time and only the word "blessing" has its right to exist... just to let people know that primal therapy is something of the dignity... dignity we would love to learn about.<br /><br />FrankFrankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02242354226308728116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-50422935480877556522012-02-10T16:22:11.971-08:002012-02-10T16:22:11.971-08:00Jack,
I really like and support your idea of educa...Jack,<br />I really like and support your idea of education and prevention to try to minimize the damage. But I am going to go even one step further back than yourself.<br /><br />We need to recognize the world has gone wrong and that people in power do not want us to get better. They like us confused, dazed, ineffective, and very easy to manipulate and control. They will not let us implement education and prevention. At best, we might choose to live in isolated groups much like the Amish do. But even then, we would get attention from the social rulers and controllers.<br /><br />I’d love to tell you there was a way out by doing something but I think something is beyond our reach. To suggest a “messiah” of some sort would likely be seen as delusional or a fairy tale, but if this is so, then the only real possibility is that we are truly doomed.<br /><br />The bad elements of human nature have won out over the good and it can not be reversed.apollohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02040184843184207525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-81469525988495894452012-02-10T12:27:31.869-08:002012-02-10T12:27:31.869-08:00Hi planespotter,
-"What I did find about my ...Hi planespotter,<br /><br />-"What I did find about my Migraines was that they tended to develop if I forgot about something very important"-.<br /><br />Yes, but I don't get headaches as a reminder of this in me to start, I get a repeating pattern or anxiety / expectation / rejection / humiliation / denial and giving up. . . then I get virus flu, cold etc. . . and headaches. But it's always forgetting, forgetting, try not to, but still forgetting. Forgetting is such a reaction to trauma, then the symptom of the 'successful' forgetting and the consequential repetition follows.<br /><br />Remember thyself said the sage. . . .<br /><br />Paul G.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02006514330039884557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-39349213122336573802012-02-10T12:17:38.509-08:002012-02-10T12:17:38.509-08:00Hi Seiglinde,
-"What I don’t know is what el...Hi Seiglinde,<br /><br />-"What I don’t know is what else she prevented"-.<br /><br />I feel you have something there that keeps you alive and inquiring. She might have been your witness. Just because you can't remember her face you may well be part of her conscience. there are good things about our ancestors and they often show in veiled ways.<br /><br />Paul G.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02006514330039884557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-19662524218554024922012-02-10T10:25:14.150-08:002012-02-10T10:25:14.150-08:00Frank, I agree,
Thanks for bringing up this vital ...Frank, I agree,<br />Thanks for bringing up this vital point. “For us to be able to get to "know" what you know”…<br />We (at least I) were thought to demonize and manipulate our feelings. Now I don’t know the right words to express what we feel. Psychology textbook analogy is not very helpful when unknown feelings from the lower brain (first line) come up. How can I be sure I interpret feelings and symptoms the right way. <br />SieglindeS. W. Alexanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12087227301358286386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-26207215716481178312012-02-10T07:44:19.608-08:002012-02-10T07:44:19.608-08:00Dr. Janov and all:
How much can we really love aw...Dr. Janov and all:<br /><br />How much can we really love away?<br /> <br />My mother decided that business is more important than her newborn. One week after birth she handed me over to her mother. My grandmother loved me and “spoiled” me (so I was told) but she could not, with all her love for me, erase anxiety and all other pre and neonatal damage. <br />What I don’t know is what else she prevented. Maybe her love for the first 6 years of my life prevented schizophrenia. I wish I could ask her; but I can’t even remember my Grandmothers face while all other faces from my early childhood are living pictures. <br />SieglindeS. W. Alexanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12087227301358286386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-4266763325058878892012-02-10T05:27:31.366-08:002012-02-10T05:27:31.366-08:00I can really relate to this piece. I probably got ...I can really relate to this piece. I probably got great deep feelings welling up seven years ago and I am sure it is partly due to coming off Zeroxat. It was like a great big wooden bar holding the huge gates to my subconcious and all it's pain and when it went what could hold the pain back.<br /><br />Once in my life I took some magic mushrooms and obviously not a huge amount. (Never been a great one for drugs) I remember as I was going to sleep seeing these huge doors openning up. They stretched up and down as far as I could see and behind them was this gigantic moving wooden toy figure of a soldier. It filled the universe. My universe I suppose. Perhaps this was my subconcious telling me to look at my childhood and the military man who wrecked my life.<br /><br />I have had dreadful migraines day after day after day along with a physical sense of that pain which caused me almost not to be able to move. Add to that dreams about my birth I think and I can testify to understanding what you are saying here Dr Janov.<br /><br />What I did find about my Migraines was that they tended to develop if I forgot about something very important. It was almost as though it was my body pushing the experiences I was denying up again and expressing them in a different way. A different kind of pain. I sometimes think it gets to the stage where one's whole body starts screaming "LOOK WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU! I CAN'T REPRESS IT ANY LONGER! DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!!". The fact that 20 years ago I was starting to remember and told I was crazy meant that the whole thing got pushed deeper down and I am sure the Zeroxat was partially to blame. <br /><br />I was sitting on the bus this morning and thinking about just how unloved I was (and feeling it too). I was unwanted probably partially down to my parents having lost a child before me and neither of them knew how to deal with the feelings of loss that left them with. They just blamed me for my Brothers loss in a way.<br /><br />In essense if we are learning to be anxious and vigilant in the womb due to a Mother's anxiety this is us actually adapting to the world we will enter. Thus if we are loved as soon as we are born our self can say "Oh right, got that wrong then, they are quite nice after all so I can relax! Phew!"planespotterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05315637682741508786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-4906394066635506292012-02-10T01:38:25.985-08:002012-02-10T01:38:25.985-08:00Art,
We do not need to explain something to you.....Art,<br /><br />We do not need to explain something to you... what you know is so much more than what we know... far from what we know. For us to be able to get to "know" what you know… we needed our system of thought... as well as the emotional system in our own process to recover from not knowing and thinking in a process... a process for an integrated experience of one and the same thing... feel what we say and say what we feel. <br /><br />Our thinking for what our words may explain is might in harmony with science… but they can also be against what science indicates. Feelings to what we know give a total different picture to what we experience.” Moral” values do not give us the opportunities to a healthy reaction. Moral… we are told for what we know… morality the overall complexity for what morality requires… we become stupid crazy and mad.<br /><br />FrankFrankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02242354226308728116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-21255767190457053602012-02-09T12:58:29.942-08:002012-02-09T12:58:29.942-08:00Art: Isn't even Primal Therapy (figuratively...Art: Isn't even Primal Therapy (figuratively speaking) attempting to 'close the barn door after the horse has bolted?' You may say "not quite; we're going out to find the horse and putting it back in the barn" What I would hope the emphasis be is; to educate all potential parents into knowing that first and foremost; if the potential child is not fully wanted (for the RIGHT reason) then going ahead with the pregnancy and birth is creating the diseases and crimes of tomorrow. It's a simple message ... even if it is hard to get across; BUT, as I see it, that is where the emphasis should lie: and it transcends ALL cultures.<br /><br />All the science and their respective studies, are what I consider, you have talked about:- 'booga booga'. The attack should be directed at all those so called ethicist and religious idiocy IMO that prevent unwanted pregnancies to occur AND the anti contraceptive plans now running rampant in the national discourse. It is all so crazy and very scary for the future of mankind (and yeah! life on the planet). <br /><br />You defined neurosis very brilliantly in the your first book. <br /><br />It is a debilitating disease that we humans suffer and UNLESS AND UNTIL, we start to look to the ROOT CAUSE; 'child rearing practices amongst us humans' ... we are going NO WHERE I repeat N O - W H E R E. <br /><br />JackJack Waddingtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06427501529242639591noreply@blogger.com