tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post1435544156732324449..comments2024-02-11T18:16:53.445-08:00Comments on Janov's Reflections on the Human Condition: The Simple Truth is Revolutionary: Epigenetics and Primal Therapy: The Cure for Neurosis (Part 3/20)Arthur Janovhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16709863014923629409noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-53064650344768965102015-11-01T10:25:59.964-08:002015-11-01T10:25:59.964-08:00Hi Art, emailer et all,
Since discovering this bl...Hi Art, emailer et all,<br /><br />Since discovering this blog I have marveled at how you can be arrested (as an adult) for slapping or punching another adult but only recently had it occurred to any 'legislating body' that this makes an hypocrisy of corporal punishment on children. <br /><br />I think this email is interesting because it highlights the problem of adults finding out being kind and gentle is good for business. . . but seemingly only after they may have failed in this respect as parents. <br /><br />It seems that what children need are advocates to protect them from the false ideologies of adults. Given the empathy children have for animals it follows that it's a scientific prerogative to find ways to challenge the 'Adult/Child' relationship before any other. . .<br /><br />Primal Theory seems to have the answers (as far as I can see) and therefore the natural lead. . . Which is what your emailer says. . .<br /><br />Paul G.<br /><br /> Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02006514330039884557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-1739063404248106242015-11-01T05:03:42.787-08:002015-11-01T05:03:42.787-08:00Gary,
Experiments have been done by humans on huma...Gary,<br />Experiments have been done by humans on humans (and mammals) since we first appeared. That is the perverse 'reality' of Human (so called) consciousness. . . That we are able to experiment with all kinds of various 'adaptions' and 'inventions'. . . On both ourselves and other species and life forms in general; I am certainly not writing to justify this, just in case you relegate me to the apologists. I agree essentially that these 'vivisection' activities are wrong and also that 'enough is enough'. However, 'justification' or not is NOT the point I am making (even if you are). Thus I'm unclear as to your motives. Just because cruelty happened in history it does not invalidate the facts that come out of that history.<br /><br />So, yes, I am saying that 'history' was worth it. . . Cruelty and all. . . because without that history we would not have what we need to learn and move into a future without the mistakes of the past. That is the sordid facts of life on planet earth, even if it does sound like appeasement.<br /><br />Yet you seem to be saying that you have found a way to return to a lifestyle of the Bonobos 'pre-hunter gatherer', and therefore 'Trumped' all of this abusive history. Thus you diminish Primal Theory with a form of 'oneupmanship'. . . <br /><br />You have found an exceptionally high moral ground to look down on the rest of us and I look up at you mostly with respect and admiration for the achievements you have made for yourself. However, I have first hand experience of the serious harm that has been done by certain (known) individuals with similar beliefs as yours. To be brutally honest Gary you appear to be playing a game of 'oneupmanship' and taking that to the brink.<br /><br />Which basically means that like these other (known) individuals who have acted from such high moral ground as you seem to, I no longer trust you as a fellow human. <br /><br />I am not convinced you would not act out some kind of perverse revenge in the name of animal rights.<br /><br />Are you sure that you are not infact acting out what happened to you as a child? Identifying with these wonderful pets you have made in YOUR life? <br /><br />I act out my childhood un-met needs and only on this blog is that honesty of any value. If you too are acting out your unmet childhood needs then in no way do I blame you for this NOR try to challenge the dietary/ethical aspects of your lifestyle (that would be crass in the extreme). But if you continue to admit (as do I) that you are indeed STILL neurotic, surely you can't carry on trying to keep petitioning people here on this blog as if ALL Primal Pain is a product of FAILING to live as you do?<br /><br />Do you get it Gary?<br /><br />Paul G.<br /> Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02006514330039884557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-49179854349264812932015-10-29T10:49:24.091-07:002015-10-29T10:49:24.091-07:00Gary, You all know my stance. I have one goal to e...Gary, You all know my stance. I have one goal to educate and save lives. artArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-86734969237356504532015-10-29T04:52:41.955-07:002015-10-29T04:52:41.955-07:00Art: I´m not asking you to "take up arms"...Art: I´m not asking you to "take up arms" but if possible to stop using the results of this cruel research. Is there not enough evidence to support what you´re saying from human experience, for example, studies done on holocaust survivors, in orphanages, indeed studies done on your own patients? I would like you to make a public stance against animal experimentation and indeed against other forms of grotesque cruelty to animals like vivisection, factory farming and so on, and given the remarks you´ve made about the feelingness of animals and the nightmares you still get hearing those pigs screaming from when you worked in an abattoir in your youth (which i´ve heard too - I will NEVER, EVER, EVER Forget those screams), I don´t understand why you don´t even make the briefest of statements condemning them. Gary <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-3473343732309239072015-10-28T10:33:09.065-07:002015-10-28T10:33:09.065-07:00Gary, I agree totally artGary, I agree totally artArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-17389359190767511982015-10-28T05:54:22.986-07:002015-10-28T05:54:22.986-07:00Art: I admire you for supporting those shelters an...Art: I admire you for supporting those shelters and already knew this, and I intend to set one up myself as soon as i am able to move to a larger quinta. But still, I am not happy wth animal experimentation which for example purposefully deprives small mammals of touch. Such cruelty would need to have much greater justification than it does. I don´t believe it is justifiable at all. garyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-76283893244952114952015-10-28T04:47:18.353-07:002015-10-28T04:47:18.353-07:00Stockholm 2015-10-28
We walk the road of death an...<br /> Stockholm 2015-10-28<br /><br />We walk the road of death and need without its cause!<br /><br />Anxiety and depression are nothing but memories... a symptom of death... death when we long ago with open eyes witnessed something our system could not possibly integrate... and we were blocked by a physiological process... one at the time physiological life-saving process without the "heart" of what need of love intended.<br />It's only words... words and words again as long as we do not perceive the words of their meaning and which awaits death... death away from our need of love as we suffer throughout our lives if not death of its symptoms derived to its cause!<br />So now we know what it is... but what can we do? We need to experience what passion contains... what death is part of.<br />But what can we do without an escort... therapists who know that we suffer... and how... without the memories of what... that's what the therapist faces... it's one of the therapy's heart... just for the patient to experience!<br />Death waits but not for something other than what death is the cause... for what our needs were forced to repress... there at the time for what death meant not getting our needs satisfied.<br />Who the hell do understand something like that when they understand what professionalism distinguish reality from their cause... it to be a symptom far from what science tells us about.?<br />We would get along splendidly without explanations about symptoms if professionalism meant its mission to be professional for the cause.<br />Death is not our friend but in therapy an essential experience for its reason for what death would otherwise plague us throughout our lives! <br /><br />Frank<br />Frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02242354226308728116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-73223150747142493502015-10-27T18:07:35.698-07:002015-10-27T18:07:35.698-07:00Dr. Janov, thank you for the gems.
I don’t believ...Dr. Janov, thank you for the gems.<br /><br />I don’t believe I’m qualified to explain with absolute certainty the full interaction between genetics and epigenetics.<br />What I have learned so far will I explain in simple words.<br />We inherit good and bad genes.<br />Many genes were altered thousands of years ago and show virus/bacterial induced markers. Do these markers become automatically active or are they missing an off or on switch? No.<br />Stress, trauma, infections, or chemicals can trigger a gene’s malfunction. <br />for example: the moment the hypothalamus is forced to produce adrenaline, due to stress or trauma, the anterior endocrine gland (pituitary gland) becomes active and releases high amounts of adrenaline (and 7 different hormones) Cortisol level becomes high, while the posterior pituitary gland, remains inactive. The posterior pituitary gland however secretes only two hormones ADH and oxytocin. Oxytocin is very important to calm the person or even the fetus.<br />It is suggested when too much adrenaline is released and for too long, methylation begins. Sleeping inherited damaged genes can develop a double helix or be methylated (malfunction). When long term inflammation is dominant, the immune system becomes partially weakened (DNA markers for Interleukin). <br />As a reference, I offer these three links that explain my summary in details.<br /><br />“Interaction between oxytocin receptor DNA methylation and genotype is associated with risk of postpartum depression in women without depression in pregnancy”<br />http://journal.frontiersin.org/article/10.3389/fgene.2015.00243/full<br />“DNA Methylation Could Explain How People Respond to Fear and Anger”<br />http://www.whatisepigenetics.com/dna-methylation-could-explain-how-people-respond-to-fear-and-anger/<br />“Efficacy of oxytocin administration early after psychotrauma in preventing the development of PTSD: study protocol of a randomized controlled trial”<br />http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3986606/<br /><br />Have fun reading the links, especially this part:<br />"Importantly, among studies of adult depression McQuaid et al. (2013) report increased depressive symptoms following early life mistreatment in rs53576_GG individuals and Bradley et al. (2011) found increased emotional dysregulation and disordered attachment style with childhood maltreatment in rs53576_GG individuals. These data suggest that the rs53576 GG genotype may be sensitive to adverse life experience, and the methylation status of OXTR in this genotype may be important in understanding PPD."<br />SieglindeS. W. Alexanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12087227301358286386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-25083372454481469032015-10-27T14:49:30.634-07:002015-10-27T14:49:30.634-07:00Sieglinde, your letters are always gems. artSieglinde, your letters are always gems. artArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-49729240443482801192015-10-27T13:13:43.242-07:002015-10-27T13:13:43.242-07:00Gary I agree and I will be careful but remember I ...Gary I agree and I will be careful but remember I cannot take up arms for everything people want me to. artArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-21983631430647299112015-10-27T12:08:53.989-07:002015-10-27T12:08:53.989-07:00An email message: "This is your best post yet...An email message: <em>"This is your best post yet. :) Great job Art! As usual I will post this on Face Book. Thanks for adding that ability to do so easily. I believe the next step toward getting more people educated concerning these things in a more motivational and politically motivated way would be to push for emotional intelligence classes in our schools. I've been trying to do that but have encountered similar obstacles, and yet in business it has been used successfully. So I think along with research, and in order to get more research we need to push this awareness and training concept, which may in turn also help us to see what children are at risk in their homes and communities.</em>"Arthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-38401906738232817422015-10-27T08:45:42.023-07:002015-10-27T08:45:42.023-07:00Gary, I am sure you know that I support several sh...Gary, I am sure you know that I support several shelters, and that a lot of my money goes to animal protection. artArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-85313786643608961512015-10-27T05:42:51.227-07:002015-10-27T05:42:51.227-07:00 Art: You have always made use of the results of a... Art: You have always made use of the results of animal experimentation in your writings on primal therapy, and given your recent statement to the effect that animals have the same feeling base as humans (this is well known amongst animal rights activists and your statement would have to be true for you to use the experimentation in any case), I wonder how you feel about using it?<br /><br />In general, the animal studies you quote do not involve the sort of agony caused by industry-funded vivisection, but is is still causing pain and suffering and I condemn it unreservedly on those grounds alone. <br /><br />You could argue that the damage is done in any case, so no harm is being done by your use of the information gained from these experiments, but if these experiments were made on human beings, would you use this argument? Gary<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-16188975284526582592015-10-27T02:22:38.083-07:002015-10-27T02:22:38.083-07:00part 2:
These words come from my dear friend Megan...part 2:<br />These words come from my dear friend Megan Devine, one of the only writers in the field of loss and trauma I endorse. These words are so poignant because they aim right at the pathetic platitudes our culture has come to embody on a increasingly hopeless level. Losing a child cannot be fixed. Being diagnosed with a debilitating illness cannot be fixed. Facing the betrayal of your closest confidante cannot be fixed. <br />They can only be carried.<br />I hate to break it to you, but although devastation can lead to growth, it often doesn't. The reality is that it often destroys lives. And the real calamity is that this happens precisely because we've replaced grieving with advice. With platitudes. With our absence. <br />I now live an extraordinary life. I've been deeply blessed by the opportunities I've had and the radically unconventional life I've built for myself. Yet even with that said, I'm hardly being facetious when I say that loss has not in and of itself made me a better person. In fact, in many ways it's hardened me.<br />While so much loss has made me acutely aware and empathetic of the pains of others, it has made me more insular and predisposed to hide. I have a more cynical view of human nature, and a greater impatience with those who are unfamiliar with what loss does to people.<br />Above all, I've been left with a pervasive survivor’s guilt that has haunted me all my life. This guilt is really the genesis of my hiding, self-sabotage and brokenness.<br />In short, my pain has never been eradicated, I've just learned to channel it into my work with others. I consider it a great privilege to work with others in pain, but to say that my losses somehow had to happen in order for my gifts to grow would be to trample on the memories of all those I lost too young; all those who suffered needlessly, and all those who faced the same trials I did early in life, but who did not make it. <br />I'm simply not going to do that. I'm not going to construct some delusional narrative fallacy for myself so that I can feel better about being alive. I'm not going to assume that God ordained me for life instead of all the others so that I could do what I do now. And I'm certainly not going to pretend that I've made it through simply because I was strong enough; that I became "successful" because I "took responsibility."<br />There’s a lot of “take responsibility” platitudes in the personal development space, and they are largely nonsense. People tell others to take responsibility when they don’t want to understand.<br />Because understanding is harder than posturing. Telling someone to “take responsibility” for their loss is a form of benevolent masturbation. It’s the inverse of inspirational porn: it’s sanctimonious porn.<br />Personal responsibility implies that there’s something to take responsibility for. You don’t take responsibility for being raped or losing your child. You take responsibility for how you choose to live in the wake of the horrors that confront you, but you don't choose whether you grieve. We're not that smart or powerful. When hell visits us, we don't get to escape grieving.<br />This is why all the platitudes and fixes and posturing are so dangerous: in unleashing them upon those we claim to love, we deny them the right to grieve.<br />Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02006514330039884557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-54468734704678256522015-10-27T02:14:55.985-07:002015-10-27T02:14:55.985-07:00Sieglinde, I want you to explain what you mean by ...Sieglinde, I want you to explain what you mean by "gene methylation begins right then". artArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-633809499437789972015-10-26T15:22:24.702-07:002015-10-26T15:22:24.702-07:00Hello Dr. Janov,
very clearly explained what the ...Hello Dr. Janov,<br /><br />very clearly explained what the world needs to know.<br /><br />Should we include the words "a clean environment and medical care" in this sentence: "It takes many forms in humans: poor nutrition, abuse, neglect, lack of touch (licking in animals)." <br /><br />My one year younger brother had ALS and died on Jan 15. My second brother has been pre-diagnosed with ALS.<br /><br />It did not come as a surprise to me when I read the latest findings about a link between human endogenous retroviral genes (HERVs) and ALS: "Dormant viral genes may awaken to cause ALS" http://www.nih.gov/news/health/sep2015/ninds-30.htm<br /><br />In the first trimester, shortly after the brain stem and neo-cortex are in place, the pituitary gland is developed and the endogenous ACTH concentration-cortisol secretion begins. If the mother is exposed to stress, viruses and dangerous bacteria in the third through eighth weeks, the embryo is especially vulnerable to damaging substances, such as alcohol, radiation, and infectious diseases. The fetus endogens (hormones) cannot combat such intrusion - and gene methylation begins right then. <br /><br />The same vulnerability exists after birth until the child is about 3 Years old.<br />SieglindeS. W. Alexanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12087227301358286386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-70263060353560282962015-10-26T13:42:19.733-07:002015-10-26T13:42:19.733-07:00You are so right. artYou are so right. artArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-87345553031981046882015-10-26T09:59:58.848-07:002015-10-26T09:59:58.848-07:00This is proof that the imprint for some is so stro...This is proof that the imprint for some is so strong...that the fingerprints of the physician shows up on the newborn's arm. Some people just on't realize. The birth trauma person doesn't want to go through life being and thinking "different"; they can't help it. The parents, if they are good parents and knowledgeable seeks advice in handling a child who has gone through a birth trauma. Before school, before kindergarten, my mother used to tell me I had "a birthmark" but I could never see it. (Ha,ha....she was just talking and trying to help). My parents tried the best they could with me., I can only imagine a child without loving parents and the child without lack of interest from their parents ; how that child must suffer (first they suffer from the birth trauma, and no one even ever attempts to help out this child as he or she is growing up.) Sure I most certainly do know that I would be a better person and people would be probably feel actually a "sense of relief" if I got Primal Therapy. In the meantime, no one really focuses on what happened to me in birth, but yet it's always there. I was watched so closely as a child, and every now and then, find someone in my family, analyzing me. They have the time to try to help me. I have a responsiblilty at my job, and that is why I feel that I get analyzed every now and then throughout life with family members. I try to be self - aware, I try to find peace,.....and get along, I try to help out when I can. For others, they are so multi-faceted, and make living and work look so easy. I'm not dumb, but I know Primal Therapy is really the answer. beachcoast7https://www.blogger.com/profile/17348238170525257587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-9700042914775866002015-10-26T09:28:56.763-07:002015-10-26T09:28:56.763-07:00Piotr: Thank god or whomever for that. artPiotr: Thank god or whomever for that. artArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-15511540704445793232015-10-26T09:23:52.702-07:002015-10-26T09:23:52.702-07:00It is the Journal of the World Psychiatric Associa...It is the Journal of the World Psychiatric Association: Activitas Nervosa Superior. My article will appear next week. artArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-38274785077480569412015-10-26T04:46:19.850-07:002015-10-26T04:46:19.850-07:00Dear Arthur You are genius, you've overtaken y...Dear Arthur You are genius, you've overtaken your era. Katarzynahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17911400318077957562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-80630292935596280052015-10-26T03:05:37.640-07:002015-10-26T03:05:37.640-07:00Hello Art!
Where can I find you in http://www.act...Hello Art!<br /><br />Where can I find you in http://www.activitas.org/index.php/nervosa)<br />I have been looking and looking! Do I need to be a member in order to read about it?<br /><br />your FrankFrankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02242354226308728116noreply@blogger.com