tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post1416440333954098503..comments2024-02-11T18:16:53.445-08:00Comments on Janov's Reflections on the Human Condition: The Simple Truth is Revolutionary: Epigenetics and Primal Therapy: The Cure for Neurosis (Part 12/20)Arthur Janovhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16709863014923629409noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-61423733588992644882015-12-02T06:52:36.760-08:002015-12-02T06:52:36.760-08:00Dr. Janov
I suspect Chopra is out to get fame. Ju...Dr. Janov <br />I suspect Chopra is out to get fame. Just that he states meditation and yoga can prevent gene methylation sounds like cognitive therapy “cures” PTSD. The problem is the desperate and needy will cling to it and end up disappointed again. I’m reading his book. After I will write an appropriate critique from a patients point of few.<br />I wrote to Tanzi. No answer yet.<br />However I believe I will get an answer from Dr. Buckner https://cnl.rc.fas.harvard.edu/ . Right now he is on a sabbatical. <br />I’m writing very much at the moment and don’t remember (Nero-defect hahah) the letter I sent you about 10 days ago on methylation, I gladly will look for. <br />Sieglinde<br /><br />S. W. Alexanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12087227301358286386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-3754706836515966952015-12-02T03:51:20.896-08:002015-12-02T03:51:20.896-08:00Sieglinde, you need to write to them more than me....Sieglinde, you need to write to them more than me. But I guarantee, Deepak will pay no attention. artArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-42201860420801737572015-12-02T03:17:24.070-08:002015-12-02T03:17:24.070-08:00Sieglinde: I have known a lot about Chopra over t...Sieglinde: I have known a lot about Chopra over the years and I never take him seriously. He has been into so much non-scientific ideas that his science leaves me skeptical. I would like to get the letter you sent me about 10 days ago on methylation. Good work Sieglinde. artArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-53517006554167041322015-11-29T07:56:34.264-08:002015-11-29T07:56:34.264-08:00Dr. Janov,
Did you read “Super Brain” by Deepak C...Dr. Janov, <br />Did you read “Super Brain” by Deepak Chopra MD and Rudolph Tanzi PhD?<br />"You are the user and controller of your genes, the author of your biological story." http://www.chopra.com/book/super-genes<br />While Deepak Chopra MD is an advocate and promoter alternative medicine and popular forms of spirituality, Rudolph Tanzi PhD is Professor of Child Neurology and Mental Retardation. Tanzi’s research is primarily aimed at identifying and characterizing Alzheimer’s disease (AD)-associated gene mutations/variants with the ultimate goal of defining the molecular, cellular, and biochemical events leading to neuronal cell death in the brains of AD patients. <br />What both are saying is de-methylation is possible. In a speech, Tanzi revealed that we can influence epigenetic, prevent and reverse damage - the same way external influence has methylated our genes. <br /><br />What he is not saying is how we can go back to early childhood or prenatal. Example: Cytokinesis is the physical process of cell division, which divides the cytoplasm of a parental cell into two daughter cells. Result: Interleukin23, the most active T-Cell producer that cause incurable inflammation. <br />What is your take on Chopra’s and Tanzi’s theory? <br />Sieglinde<br />S. W. Alexanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12087227301358286386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-12729792554628640022015-11-25T11:56:04.214-08:002015-11-25T11:56:04.214-08:00Vuko, very astute, good piece. artVuko, very astute, good piece. artArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-61278074265929692932015-11-23T16:15:16.342-08:002015-11-23T16:15:16.342-08:00just a thought> can this "highly disorgani...just a thought> can this "highly disorganized methylation" be a consequence of higly disorganised gates, i.e leaky gates. and generally how much of methylation is a result subsequent suffering? we can suffer from early, early on...<br />another thought> if non primal therapeutic approaches seem to affect epigenetic changes,<br />can we conclude that it is because they affect suffering? suffering could be important factor.<br />that is why there could be much overlapping in diagnose that uses epigenetic as a marker, between primal therapy and other therapies. <br /><br />in ideal case primal therapy reduces the root cause of suffering by helping patient gain access to key events through the feeling vehicle. if done at right pace, patient won't suffer much if at all. this could be very important (good gates) for his/her health. lack of suffering and resulting absence of confusion, guilt, anxiety, depression and emanating good sleep, relations, lifestyle, perceptions... maybe should not be disregarded. <br />the feeling heals but also access heals. they are mutually supportive. and prolonged severe suffering is devastating. maybe much more than it is written about it here.<br />because it is one thing to be wounded (and not know about it) and another to suffer from it whole life, or a period of life. one person can have vastly different relation to his/her pain throughout life. and that could really matter for the adaptive processes. the importance of original wound is obvious. but later life circumstances could be decisive in triggering that wound and subsequent compromised ability of the system to contain relatively healthy state.<br />maybe that is where other approaches find their way to call themselves "helpful" or even "healing".<br />we might get sick from the original trauma but also from the challenge to contain it within close boundaries around it. and i don't mean that cortex should do the job of first line gate. the success of primal therapy could be in this perfect balance of leaking and gating that results in access and occasional connection with trauma. it also mean the access to outside reality that can occasionally trigger the inner. <br /><br />to conclude, that is why early trauma is so devastating. it is not only the trauma, but also the damage to our gating system. the suffering is almost guaranteed. but let us just not forget later life experiences. vukonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-75756604283842954132015-11-23T12:14:34.764-08:002015-11-23T12:14:34.764-08:00Frank, maybe the right question to the professiona...Frank, maybe the right question to the professionals would be: Do you think something is missing from your life, that gnawing feeling that all is not right.Sherihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03600090931780217359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-7206800657203575592015-11-23T01:16:27.264-08:002015-11-23T01:16:27.264-08:00We have a problem to tackle!
We have "renoun...We have a problem to tackle!<br /><br />We have "renounced" compassion in a process to repress our guilt... it for what we do and have made us guilty of in a process in trying to avoid own pain... pain of which symptoms warn us in our efforts to keep the pain beyond consciousness... it with disastrous consequences for us ourselves and our surroundings.<br /><br />Well established so-called professional do not even need to explain their understanding of presented science if it is perceived as a threat to their own business. I mean if they do not understand the contents of the science or avoid it for what consequences they might suffer... they can with a contemptuous smile (also from a painful memory) without any further consequences avoid the question of what science presents.<br /><br />The following issue has to be brought through for what now journalists are blind! No blind who experience a winning konsept will ever comes to the recognition of being blind! The survival of long ago still resonate just too much... but a vocabulary equation with an emotional content to ask the right questions to the right part of our brain could help us... a vocabulary equation for its task to be answered!<br /><br />FrankFrankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02242354226308728116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-26332583602257240432015-11-22T06:22:03.123-08:002015-11-22T06:22:03.123-08:00Yes, let's hope so but also be aware that repr...Yes, let's hope so but also be aware that repression has a kind of 'negative feedback' effect. In so far as without a personal experience of what hides behind your gates you can remain 'blissfully unaware' of the implications. . . Which are not merely (discretely) 'personal'. . . Your imprints can bias anything 'out there' you react to, or fail to respond to, even to the point of denial. . .<br /><br />In this respect only those who grasp their own madness are sane. . .<br /><br />Paul G.<br /><br />Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02006514330039884557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-261455449322858012015-11-21T12:01:56.172-08:002015-11-21T12:01:56.172-08:00Losangelee: Let us hope so. artLosangelee: Let us hope so. artArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-79163799032659605602015-11-21T05:07:23.394-08:002015-11-21T05:07:23.394-08:00Why all this people don't want to hear you, go...Why all this people don't want to hear you, goverment etc. Yes, I know the answer.Katarzynahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17911400318077957562noreply@blogger.com