tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post1383768478799564385..comments2024-02-11T18:16:53.445-08:00Comments on Janov's Reflections on the Human Condition: The Simple Truth is Revolutionary: Why Are We Anxious? (Part 5/6)Arthur Janovhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16709863014923629409noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-4511293691387621582010-08-10T08:38:52.499-07:002010-08-10T08:38:52.499-07:00Philip sorry a bit late. What exactly? art jano...Philip sorry a bit late. What exactly? art janovArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-4228206479415719772010-01-27T00:51:00.848-08:002010-01-27T00:51:00.848-08:00Kaz: thanks important information. art janovKaz: thanks important information. art janovArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-46095088539291692242010-01-26T17:16:26.933-08:002010-01-26T17:16:26.933-08:00The source for the points on bacteria:
http://www...The source for the points on bacteria:<br /><br />http://www.customprobiotics.com/about_probiotics_a.htm<br /><br /><br />INTESTINAL MICROFLORA IN THE NEWBORN INFANT <br /><br />Another factor affecting the intestinal flora of the newborn is delivery mode. A normal vaginal delivery commonly permits transfer of bacteria from the mother to the infant. During cesarean deliveries, this transfer is completely absent. These infants commonly acquire and are colonized with flora from the hospital's environment and, therefore, their flora may differ from maternal flora. Infants delivered by cesarean section are colonized with more anaerobic bacteria, especially Bacteroides, than vaginally delivered infants. Clostridium perfringens is the anaerobic bacterium most frequently isolated after cesarean deliveries. When colonized, cesarean delivered infants less frequently harbor E. coli, and more often klebsiella and enterobacteria(7).Kazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00688350964818932862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-49103740822425944492010-01-26T17:13:07.336-08:002010-01-26T17:13:07.336-08:00Dr. Janov, I just came across some information tha...Dr. Janov, I just came across some information that you might find interesting, which is that newborns who are born c-section don't get vaginal lactic acid on their way through the birth canal. The exposure to the acid lays down colonies of healthy bacteria in their small intestine. Breast milk also has probiotic bacteria. Lacking this bacteria is a cause for diarrhea, constipation, colic, especially skin allergies and eczema.Kazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00688350964818932862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-27336080860482941662010-01-25T07:54:00.383-08:002010-01-25T07:54:00.383-08:00To "chyron" about why animals did not de...To "chyron" about why animals did not develop a neocortex...:<br /><br />Animals did do so! We are these animals!<br /><br />There is not "enough room at the top (of our niche)" for things to be any different. (Not even in another universe!)<br /><br />You (one) will never understand as much as is possible to understand about how we evolved to how we are in respect of primal pain and how we handle having had it naturally - including 'socially naturally' - put into our brains) unless you can see how evolutionary patterning-pressure of "opportunity type" has been occurring in parallel (or overlapping/coinciding) with traumatizing '"primal scene" type' (or, IOW, with "specific hibernation (SH) imploring type") lifetime challenges (selective/evolutionary pressures).<br />---<br />P.S.<br />Apropos "specific hibernation": SH is to be understood partly by comparing it (this kind/extent of metabolism-muting function) with "general hibernation" - i.e. mainly hibernation and aestivation.Pbefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12801125543334132971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-22359096550865459572010-01-24T19:18:23.750-08:002010-01-24T19:18:23.750-08:00Here is my intellectual appraisal:
I have been ar...Here is my intellectual appraisal:<br /><br />I have been around a lot of musicians. I think a lot of intellectual musicians feel more comfortable with jazz music. Jazz often sits on a more abstract foundation which can let the intellectual off the hook. If the music sounds fragmented and awkward, the jazz musician can say it is too "challenging" for lesser musicians to appreciate.<br />The opposite to abstract jazz music is 'candy' pop music. Pop music is often described (by jazz musicians) as cheap factory fodder. But a pop song is less likely to be forgiven when it's ingredients don't work. Pop music is about a feeling....not an idea or skill...and it can be complicated or simple. Pop music is like food. The taste buds don't lie. For me personally, the best jazz music is actually pop music with a jazz flavour. 'Pop' just means popular....and popular means "feels good".<br />However all of that is changing now because the intellectuals have risen to power in the 'Popular Music' industry and they love nothing more than to turn artists into puppets.Richard Atkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13587935146938446604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-3264335600246050722010-01-23T14:54:31.080-08:002010-01-23T14:54:31.080-08:00Dr Janov: Yeah, jazz is great music...although I a...Dr Janov: Yeah, jazz is great music...although I am much more partial to what came after the Big Band era, which is more my father's trip (he`s your age).Although I cannot listen to much music because of a sever ear disorder called "hyperacusis", sometimes I can, and the last musicians I listened to were incredible: Alice Coltrane (John's wife), Pharaoh Saunders, and Leon Thoms , THE most amazing singer I have ever heard (early 70's jazz). Alice C. plays piano and harp, a rarely used instrument in jazz. The effects she comes with with that instrument are inspiring.<br /><br />I often wonder also why so many jazz musicians of that era got into heroin and Eastern philosophies. Marcomacor22https://www.blogger.com/profile/00652948318839690382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-76667310572144244612010-01-23T02:47:24.841-08:002010-01-23T02:47:24.841-08:00Marco: i am an old jazz musician. I don't kno...Marco: i am an old jazz musician. I don't know where I said I have time for music because once in a while I write songs with David Foster but I no longer play.Arthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-26354676708087755582010-01-21T17:54:36.889-08:002010-01-21T17:54:36.889-08:00Dr Janov: you say above that you have time for mus...Dr Janov: you say above that you have time for music. Do you play an instrument? What kind of music do you like ? Have you ever used music in therapy to evoke feeling in people? Marcomacor22https://www.blogger.com/profile/00652948318839690382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-79287570294039100212010-01-17T22:27:28.879-08:002010-01-17T22:27:28.879-08:00Hi Richard,
I think - with deference to Art - wh...Hi Richard, <br />I think - with deference to Art - what happened to me is that the Sodium Pentothal simply removed what Art calls third-line inhibition. I was not allowed to speak in the house. I was bombarded and attacked with hatred from my mother since the age of about eleven. I had absolutely no idea what was wrong with me. I just felt terrible. My brain did not allow me<br />to become aware of the fact that my mother hated me so much, and I therefore didn’t “know” that. <br /><br />My whole being knew that, of course. <br /><br />I was also beaten severely and frequently from a young age by my father, which suppressed any attempt from me to speak out, or reflect on, or integrate my world, but I had come to accept that as ‘normal’ because I didn’t know better. <br /><br />I suffered serious third-line damage. (Intellectual). I couldn’t think, learn or study anymore and had to leave school early. I also left home before I was seventeen.<br /><br />I was fifteen and still at school when I asked to see a psychiatrist at the local hospital.<br />He asked me whether I had any problems with my parents and I said no. I also answered in the negative when he asked me if they fought a lot. They did. I was not connecting home events to these horrible feelings I walked around with.<br /><br />I do believe that what I experienced with the Sodium Pentothal episode, was a connected <br />second-line feeling that was very cathartic for me indeed, hence the feeling of lightness afterwards, which lasted for about two weeks. It also pointed me in a direction in which to start searching, and that was child abuse. I then started trying to read books, but found it extremely difficult, I would read a paragraph up to fifteen times to get a smattering of what was being said, but I persevered and eventually read many books and slowly my comprehension increased. I was in constant pain, though.<br /><br />I have since learnt that some people cry deeply when they come out of anaesthetics. This also happened to me when I underwent some minor operations. Once, after an op. for a deviated septum, my then girlfriend told me afterwards that I cried bitterly and that I pleaded with her to not ever leave me. Patrick.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-31256004901759885982010-01-17T21:21:13.785-08:002010-01-17T21:21:13.785-08:00Andrew,
Take it from an old primaller, with Primal...Andrew,<br />Take it from an old primaller, with Primal Therapy you will be able to ‘get all the crap out of your system’. Good luck. Patrick.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-69754734519035765852010-01-17T14:40:02.903-08:002010-01-17T14:40:02.903-08:00Andrew: Let's do it!! AJAndrew: Let's do it!! AJArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-29263704487448159142010-01-16T19:31:56.132-08:002010-01-16T19:31:56.132-08:00Art, you believe in nature, but you also believe i...Art, you believe in nature, but you also believe in using uppers or downers for those patients who need them at the beginning of therapy.<br />I suppose what you are saying is that drugs should be used only for the purpose of getting the brain closer to the feeling zone, so that orderly brain functions can then lead to proper connection. We can't expect a drug to force the brain to do things in the correct order. A drug can be an aid, but it can never take the place of primal therapy.<br />Patrick, it's interesting how you said you felt as light as a feather for weeks. I'm wondering if your deep crying episodes had given you a feeling of optimism which lasted a few weeks. The optimism could have aided your repression so you became less conscious of your pain for a while. Or perhaps such an enormous release of tension is enough to relax the body for several weeks, even if the pain was disconnected while you were crying. Perhaps you really were light as a feather....not just thinking it. That's where a few scientific tests would be helpful. I'm just wondering. I don't rule out the possibility that your pains were connected and resolved.<br />It seems to me that all these drugs are pretty basic. They are either a stimulant or depressant. I've tried both and they usually make me worse. More emotional, yes, but nothing is ever resolved. My sad feelings will become strong enough to make me vomit and I can start to feel desperately hopeless....but it never goes further than that. Not fun.Richard Atkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13587935146938446604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-55038765570630300082010-01-16T15:39:12.245-08:002010-01-16T15:39:12.245-08:00Patrem.
I once had a dream where I had a baby on ...Patrem.<br /><br />I once had a dream where I had a baby on my lap. I called out to my mother (in the dream) so as to ask for something that the baby needed. She looked at me with sick ugly disgust, in revolution to the fact that I had dared to ask for more than what she was prepared to give. I then felt my whole body and being fill up with 'evil' and my hands, out of my control, crushed into the baby on my lap.<br /><br />The symbolism is pretty obvious. So I look forward to getting the same kind of crap out of my system too!Andrew D Atkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04492591375757227409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-3192659272455992502010-01-16T11:30:32.297-08:002010-01-16T11:30:32.297-08:00Patrick (2): I suppose if a primal therapist does ...Patrick (2): I suppose if a primal therapist does it, it can help but I am against anything artificial. You run the risk of serious mental illness that way. Why take a chance when it can be done right, slowly and methodically? Art JanovArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-25196338441508904452010-01-16T11:29:59.920-08:002010-01-16T11:29:59.920-08:00Patrick: Hi. the problem is that any artificial me...Patrick: Hi. the problem is that any artificial means is just that: it tends to throw up pains out of sequence that can be felt but not connected; hence no long term change. You never know what you are getting with drugs because obviously it is not a natural process. I believe in nature and above all, evolution. Others? art janovArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-6130208811460617832010-01-16T01:17:17.198-08:002010-01-16T01:17:17.198-08:00P.S.
P.S.
I needed to say that I believe that on ...P.S.<br />P.S. <br />I needed to say that I believe that on both occasions with the sodium pentothal, I had<br />connected feelings. On the second time, when it happened in the US, I also cried for my mother. I felt her hatred, and tried to say something, but the wave after wave of crying was too powerful.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-4728546643523143072010-01-16T01:08:07.466-08:002010-01-16T01:08:07.466-08:00Art,
I have written to you before. I live in South...Art,<br />I have written to you before. I live in South Africa and I run a little manufacturing business of my own. I started therapy with you in 1980 in L.A.<br /><br />The question about morphine by Phillip prompted me to ask you about narco-analysis,<br />where sodium pentothal is used as a sort of ‘truth drug’. (The police in India still use it <br />to obtain information from suspects).<br /><br />I was 17 years old when I asked a psychiatrist whether he would agree to such a procedure. He agreed and a day and time was arranged at a private clinic. <br /><br />I lay down on the bed and he injected me with the sodium pentothal. He waited a few seconds and then asked me what is bothering me. Instantly, tears shot into my eyes and I started crying deeply. I immediately said: “My mother hates me”. I was fully aware of myself and of him and my surroundings. I said it over and over. The crying was so deep that I only cried like that again after I had started therapy with you.<br /><br />The interesting thing is that I had never once thought or verbalised those exact words before. I only knew that I was messed up, and nothing else. For about three weeks afterwards, I felt as light as a feather. The constant pain-pressure that was with me 24/7<br />had dissipated to almost nothing. <br /><br />Had the doctor been a primal therapist, he would have allowed me to keep on crying, because I know today that I would have gone on crying perhaps for a much longer period. But he stopped me shortly afterwards and said that at least he now knows what my problem is. I never went back to him -- I don’t know why -- but I’m glad for that, because he would probably have wanted to advise me and suggest that I should ‘understand’ and ‘forgive and forget’ and all the other mumbo jumbo, as you put it.<br /><br />Then, two years into my therapy, a friend of mine in the US, - also primal - arranged with <br />a doctor friend of his to supply us with sodium pentothal in tablet form. The doctor and my friend were both present when I took the tablets. About 10 to 15 minutes later, I started crying again, this time much deeper, since I wasn’t interrupted at all. The crying was so deep that I couldn’t even get two words out before the wave hit me again, over and over and over. This went on for about 20 minutes. It was unbelievably cathartic. I was also totally aware of them and my surroundings. Once again, I walked around for some weeks feeling as light as air. I was spontaneous, totally relaxed, at ease with myself. I laughed heartily and socialised and conversed with strangers in a most natural way. The doctor was completely blown away and couldn’t stop talking and asking questions about it. We told him about PT and he read one of your books. <br /><br />Please note that I am not suggesting that this procedure be tried as a cure for neurosis,<br />but I have since wondered a lot about it, and whether you could reflect on it. I know that at the institute there were patients who had great difficulty connecting because of major third or second-line damage, such as I had. Might this be a way for the institute to help them connect and ‘blow off’ some of that pain?<br /><br />In the meantime, I am happy with the way my therapy is progressing, with deep and connected crying. About 4 years ago I started accessing first-line feelings. I just know that my therapy is right on track.<br /><br />I can never thank you enough for all the wonderful work you have done and are still doing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-74249198266050431592010-01-15T22:20:14.998-08:002010-01-15T22:20:14.998-08:00Philip: Philip I miss Jean too terribly. I love...Philip: Philip I miss Jean too terribly. I loved her. Re: morphine. What it does is block the resonance factor so that the current event cannot dredge up very early and terrible pain so you just have current pain to deal with. I bet others have some good ideas about this. dr. JArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-9061565587578875782010-01-15T22:19:25.024-08:002010-01-15T22:19:25.024-08:00Steven: How I enjoy the fruits of life is knowing ...Steven: How I enjoy the fruits of life is knowing that what I do advances a crucial science that changes lives every day. I still have time for music; I am still hoping to get Foster and I's Rock Opera up and running. And I do enjoy stuff even though it has not been easy having spent the last 40 years in pain due to botched surgery on my throat. What gets me through all this is my friends, very good friends, and of course and not least my wife of 36 years, France. artArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-40778603960767182682010-01-15T17:03:34.260-08:002010-01-15T17:03:34.260-08:00Dear Art,
Would you consider commenting in a futu...Dear Art,<br /> Would you consider commenting in a future post on the article about morphine helping traumatic stress<br />(www.nytimes.com/2010/01/14/health/research/14morphine.html referring to http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/362/2/110<br /> P.S. I had therapy in New York around 1980 with Jean Jackson (I miss her) and Tracee Shepard, I still recall some other names, like Skip, Alix. I had seen you then a couple of times when you visited.Philiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06636260129406682726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-71984526526567401622010-01-15T00:54:30.713-08:002010-01-15T00:54:30.713-08:00Chyron: I do not know. sorry AJChyron: I do not know. sorry AJArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-59961771490049935322010-01-15T00:46:09.184-08:002010-01-15T00:46:09.184-08:00Erron:
Well I am not a fan of meditation in any ...Erron:<br />Well I am not a fan of meditation in any form. I think I wrote about it in Grand Delusion. It is just a form of repression no matter how they dress it up. art janovArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-5198077017993859962010-01-14T21:04:43.270-08:002010-01-14T21:04:43.270-08:00Dear Dr. Janov
Thank you for the nice compliment....Dear Dr. Janov<br /><br />Thank you for the nice compliment. <br />I am afraid I cannot take this task. I have a very demanding job where I must read a lot to keep up with the field. The rest of the time I spend with my daughter. Here and there I have some free time and I read your blog. When my time gets too squeezed , I tend to stress and do not function as well.<br />In addition I do not have a degree in Medicine, Biology or its closely related disciplines. I can appreciate the knowledge in the field of neuroscience is vast, daunting and multi-disciplinary. I am an amateur really and likely on the shallow end of that classification because I don’t know just how much I don’t know.<br />It is not easy to turn you down because you have done so much for us and I do believe in PT 100%. I also admire that decades later at the age of 85, you are still going very strong promoting and developing Primal Therapy while you could be retired and enjoying the fruits of a life of creative work and dedication to the alleviation of suffering. <br />I am hoping that someone on this blog with more time and/or ability than I can take up this task<br /><br />Best Regards<br />Stevenstevenbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16437667973248629322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-47374519696863830322010-01-14T15:29:37.614-08:002010-01-14T15:29:37.614-08:00Art,
You say:
“Generally, the anxious patient ha...Art,<br /><br />You say:<br /><br />“Generally, the anxious patient has chronically leaky gates so that part of the feeling is seeping through at all times. Both are propitious for the therapy so long as the anxiety is not terribly overwhelming; meaning that the patient needs to be brought into the primal/feeling zone.”<br /><br />What are your thoughts on using Meditation to bring a chronically anxious person ‘down’ enough that they have access? I remember reading something by Jonathon Christie to that effect. The reason I ask (at the risk of veering to the personal) is that I’ve been using ‘Holosync’ meditation cd’s for some months now, and have finally been able to actually view the videos on your site. Earlier attempts resulted in too much anxiety and I’d just sign off and go get a drink. <br /><br />Erronraindoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09714998714610881831noreply@blogger.com