tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post1184139165362418258..comments2024-02-11T18:16:53.445-08:00Comments on Janov's Reflections on the Human Condition: The Simple Truth is Revolutionary: How to Deny Your Feelings and Die Early?Arthur Janovhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16709863014923629409noreply@blogger.comBlogger57125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-64232776823292435132014-07-24T09:04:38.725-07:002014-07-24T09:04:38.725-07:00Dr. Art,
If only you know how much this article in...Dr. Art,<br />If only you know how much this article in specific change in me! <br /><br />I was becoming a very left brain user & I fell in depression. While in this mess, I was very harsh on myself. I came to the point of denial of depression & ignoring my emotions, and you bet, it went worse. It made me realise I have been ignoring my "negative" emotions for some good years. I always tried to look at the positives and forget the negative. I felt it was being, well, "emotional" to cry or to show sadness. <br /><br />You, Dr. Art, are the person who taught me that we are! emotional human beings, historical, and sensitive. I thank you deeply for that. It pushed me to look more into my past while my ex-therapist was all about "here & now". You have no idea how much I have changed just from reading your many articles.<br /><br />I'd like to add a quote from one of the number 1 best selling books: 7 habits of highly effective people, a book I followed well(and now, I regret. If I could, I would throw it in the face of the writer). Sadly, if you look up on the internet, many people follow it to the heart, but I was happy to see some good criticizers: <i>"The ability to subordinate an impulse to a value is the essence of the proactive person. Reactive people are driven by feelings, by circumstances, by conditions, by their environment. Proactive people are driven by values—carefully thought about, selected and internalized values. " </i><br /><br />Now I see through this corporate wishy washy robotic profit making non sense, thanks to you. Oh boy, what kind of society are we turning into? <br />It reminded me at the first month of my depression, after the episode, it was first week of spring semester. The professor saw I wasn't well. When he asked me why & what is depression, all I heard was "I think I could manage that" & you bet, I felt like throwing myself out of the window of this crewel insensitive world. And guess what? He is a fan & a reader of this book.. no wonder.<br /><br />I just can't wait to buy your book Primal Scream soon. I love your approach to such subjects. <br /><br />Thank you for sharing a lot with us.<br /><br />I wish you are doing well (and your throat too!) and I hope one day, your therapy will be available on a wider scale to help more people. It's a tough world.<br /><br />Sincerely,<br />a big fan.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-55109164253599183492013-02-02T01:54:04.201-08:002013-02-02T01:54:04.201-08:00Anna: I wrote a book on depression called THE JA...Anna: I wrote a book on depression called THE JANOV SOLUTION. try to find it. art Arthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-90923445040539380402013-02-01T00:52:12.191-08:002013-02-01T00:52:12.191-08:00Andrew, thank you! It's great story to illustr...Andrew, thank you! It's great story to illustrate how we get sick! I like it a lot, will tell it in my circle.<br /><br />Regarding primal therapy, what I meant was that not many people know what the principle is. There is information in the main languages and biggest countries, but as soon as you leave this "elite" you hear about screaming therapy and other booga-booga. <br /><br />Once you take Art's books in hands, it's earned. But it would be nice to have a drawing that call to mind, that anyone can quickly understand and know it is there. Afterwards, you can look for more.<br /><br />When I've got deeply depressed and totally desperate about 2 years ago, I've started to look for solutions to neurosis, something to read and to understand what was wrong with me. I was so lucky to find the "Primal scream" at the public library in my French town. I had never heard of primal before, neither did people around me. If I could have found something on the internet (something that was "speaking to me"), it would have been statistically easier to bump on it. <br /><br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03301732076949258394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-54947685954476845222013-01-27T03:02:29.152-08:002013-01-27T03:02:29.152-08:00We must move out the psychological skills to those...<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />We must move out the psychological skills to those who need it... it cannot be privileged those who sit in their offices... who are not even qualified to see what and how the psychological knowledge... science does its best advantage! <br /><br />Art... a primal therapeutic revolution without the society commitment are excluded. When working in society auspices about the psychological issues they "feel" more threatened by the primal therapeutic process. <br /><br />So it seems almost impossible unless we take more drastic measures!? Running a legal process will attract attention... something that can be decisive in it for a wider distribution... then would a journalistic attention take place... beyond what already established in the psychological and psychiatric field can influence.<br /><br />Your books will obvious spread the information but I think for the most part to the one curious... who by own meaning are interested and not seeing their own needs. (I can be wrong... we may are scared) We need to reach unaware needy of primal therapy.<br /><br />To educate someone in rapporteur operations about primal therapy at the Center... for further be traveling around the world to give speeches I think would be an option to achieve success. <br /><br />The cost would certainly pay off only the content represents what is possible to understand from what needy can perceive.<br /><br />Well Art... There are many ways to present something for the same purpose!<br /><br />Science in all its glory! In order to make the content accessible... reach the masses... it is may more important to work on a confidential content... confidential that can be more easy to assimilate than simply presenting scientific facts. <br /><br />E.g. a painting... a narrative form that projects an image of what is happening in our brain... more than just presenting the science... science that still follows in the wake of a vivid picture.<br /><br />Of course... science is the primary but for what ordinary people can perceive as more "lighthearted" information performed in a manner affirming a winning formula would be "god pardoned."<br /><br />Maybe a brain of your dignity lost “touch” with how a neurotic brain works (how a brain works…all is possible)... and that it is necessary to return to... to the circumstances... to see the labyrinths various words... sentences is formed out by... to get to know a good presentation helpful for its purpose to be representative about science in its end. I guess you know!<br /><br />Yours Frank<br />Frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02242354226308728116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-13561681471657732132013-01-25T05:00:45.497-08:002013-01-25T05:00:45.497-08:00Anna: Here is my "walking Man" story, wh...Anna: Here is my "walking Man" story, which is my own best attempt to do what you suggest. (And feel free to criticize this, Art, if there's anything critical you don't agree with).<br /><br />Once upon a time there was a walking man. The walking man loved to walk. One day, as the walking man was walking, he came up to a bridge. The walking man casually walked across the bridge until he got to about half way. It was then that he looked down and made a horrible discovery.<br /><br />What he discovered was that the bridge was only one foot wide, and that he could slip and fall to his death at any time. This terrified the walking man to the point where his fear threatened to overwhelm him (too much to consciously deal with). Of course, the walking man could not afford to feel the fear if he was to cope with the situation and survive. His consciousness needed to be devoted towards survival. So what happened?<br /><br />What happened was the walking man became unconscious, that is, unconscious to the sensation of fear as induced by the dangerous bridge. This cut-off process is called repression. It is a natural survival mechanism. It’s not that the feeling of fear just "disappeared", it’s that it became unconscious (our conscious brain blocked it off, it did not "destroy it").<br /><br />As the walking man’s fear became detached from his consciousness, his defense (which was to walk in a straight-as-possible line) was still operating, as it obviously must. However, as the defense was isolated from its feeling, it had effectively become a compulsion*.<br /><br />*I should clarify that our need to act-out is experienced as an "urge" - a trauma-induced drive, a compulsion. Mostly, we only feel the urge, not the repression that’s creating it.<br /><br />So the walking man walked "fearlessly" to the end of the bridge in his compulsive manner.<br /><br />Whoops! When the walking man got to the end of the bridge we made a very interesting discovery. Although the walking man reached the end of the bridge and was on safe open land, he was still walking in a straight-as-possible line!…WHY?<br /><br />When the walking man got to the end of the bridge he entered open land with a repressed feeling. That repressed feeling was constantly pushing to get into his consciousness. The repression made him feel as though he was still walking on dangerous ground. In response to this, he started head-tripping over the possibility of earthquakes - his brain rationalized the fear in the 'open land' context. To keep the fear out of his consciousness he continued to act-out, he continued to walk in a highly cautious straight-as-possible line.<br /><br />From the walking man's viewpoint he is not responding to an internally generated fear, but only what he interprets as external reality - but he is "wrong". He cannot deduct that his feeling is a subjective reaction and that his brain is merely looking for an external rationalisation for his feeling state to project onto. The great confusion for the walking man is the belief that the external situation came first, as opposed to the feeling. He can't be blamed for this, as his subjective experience qualifies the perceived situation as being the cause of his feeling because that is exactly how he experiences it. He cannot usually see that his 'today' is really just a symbolic derivative of his yesterday.<br /><br />Authors comment:<br /><br />The vast majority of us are stuck in our childhoods in the same way that the Walking Man is stuck on the bridge. Early childhood trauma, in particular traumatic deprivations associated with a lack of genuine parental love and very serious infantile trauma, forces us into a psychological 'prison' that ultimately overwhelms adult life. We basically remain children (emotionally) acting out our past in an adult context.Andrew D Atkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04492591375757227409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-84974453644498182862013-01-25T02:22:10.639-08:002013-01-25T02:22:10.639-08:00Please Siglinde!
Do what is in your "power&q...Please Siglinde!<br /><br />Do what is in your "power" of the issue.<br /><br />Yours FrankFrankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02242354226308728116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-1589369196346419072013-01-25T02:08:57.829-08:002013-01-25T02:08:57.829-08:00I just want to tell you that Leboyers method has b...I just want to tell you that Leboyers method has been in Sweden since the seventies... and those who practice it or practiced it have failed or closed their institutions for the purpose of just being Leboyers method. There is one left and it is in the town of Ystad. Very sad of cause... but the sad truth!<br /><br />I do not know what's wrong... but something there is... something that makes us have difficulty putting sentences in their proper context. <br /><br />Who would allow a childbirth if you knew an another method much better? <br />No... I understand that you would not allow it... it is a question of knowing… feeling the science of it. <br />If you do not know... someone else must take over! The scientific content is no science to just think through it proves itself if we have the right cord to its source... that's what we have to consider.<br /><br />Frank<br />Frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02242354226308728116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-2054030302694655562013-01-25T00:54:17.582-08:002013-01-25T00:54:17.582-08:00Art,
If you would give your consent to a legal pr...Art,<br /><br />If you would give your consent to a legal process!<br /><br />I would first ask everyone here on the blog on their opinion for the best results to achieve an economic gathering… so that no opportunity should be lost.<br /><br />There are a plethora of funds involved in science to seek funding. There are politicians who would not hesitate to stand up for science if it is presented in a way possible to understand... it just has to be done in a convincing way... that is a question we here on the blog should ventilate for best results.<br /><br />We can open websites… present what primal therapy all is about… where anyone who wants to support a legal process will have the opportunity. Also in this case it is important to express ourselves well for the best results… so ideas would be welcome!<br /><br />We could also arrange a presentation of primal therapy like the one you did in the seventies… when thousands of people gathered outside the building where you gave your presentation of primal therapy here in Stockholm... without being able to get in... a presentation to achieve economic conditions to a legal process... why a lawsuit is necessary? <br /><br />"Why a lawsuit is necessary" a presentation that in itself would bring wonder<br /><br />Art… it is criminal what is now practiced for therapeutic purposes... it would also be so for now unknowingly.<br /><br />Yours Frank<br />Frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02242354226308728116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-17764374389933992522013-01-24T08:05:54.308-08:002013-01-24T08:05:54.308-08:00It is probably most effective prevention to "... It is probably most effective prevention to "show people"...<br />to educate... to integrate that knowledge (FROM OUTSIDE) into world culture! It can save milions!<br /><br /> But that can't substitute primal therapy. <br />Primal therapy hopefuly helps integration into<br />a LIVING HUMAN. <br /><br /> We need both. <br /><br /><br /> vukonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-72280555242517413752013-01-24T04:04:26.895-08:002013-01-24T04:04:26.895-08:00Andrew: Absolutely. artAndrew: Absolutely. artArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-42684311425916153882013-01-23T10:59:43.167-08:002013-01-23T10:59:43.167-08:00AnttiJ: You know. Eventually it will be up to all...AnttiJ: You know. Eventually it will be up to all of you. artArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-22116197280854141952013-01-23T10:40:51.405-08:002013-01-23T10:40:51.405-08:00Frank, I am not sure what you mean exactly. artFrank, I am not sure what you mean exactly. artArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-104408317677654512013-01-22T21:55:56.203-08:002013-01-22T21:55:56.203-08:00"Prevention is the key not therapy." So ..."Prevention is the key not therapy." So I'm thinking, let's put this Leboyer guy's birth practices into use. Let's inform mothers about how critical the time in the womb is. I don't know how well that would be received but goddamnit. Something must be done. Instead of suing people left and right or whatever - I couldn't care less about lawsuits.<br /><br />I guess it's easy for a man to say "You know, the anaesthetic you're taking when giving birth, the baby will be affected by it too." Uh... try saying this and not sound judgemental. So yeah, things are difficult. Oh well.AnttiJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12010248788384946781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-37552167831044168552013-01-22T21:05:22.764-08:002013-01-22T21:05:22.764-08:00Frank: There is hope with prevention. The world is...Frank: There is hope with prevention. The world is wising up. <br /><br />The problem is they can know 'this and that' is important, to prevent damage in their children, but they don't have the perspective. They don't understand the *meaning* of preventing damage, and so they have a relatively trivialized attitude toward avoiding it. This is where primal theory steps in. It shows people that it's not just "good practice" to have a good birth, etc; it shows them how they're framing their child's ENTIRE LIFE with these events!Andrew D Atkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04492591375757227409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-81176874919679275012013-01-22T12:33:09.556-08:002013-01-22T12:33:09.556-08:00Art,
If you give your consent... an account where...Art,<br /><br />If you give your consent... an account where money can be deployed... I will do everything that is in my "power" to ensure "to put the boat in the lake."<br /><br />Yours FrankFrankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02242354226308728116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-56899469124454520742013-01-22T12:02:47.124-08:002013-01-22T12:02:47.124-08:00Frank: do you have the thousands of dollars it wi...Frank: do you have the thousands of dollars it will take? artArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-47480675037213366732013-01-22T01:49:29.183-08:002013-01-22T01:49:29.183-08:00Art... You will not see me giving up,
Hopefulness...Art... You will not see me giving up,<br /><br />Hopefulness as preventive measures instead of a revolution… that is a resignation that won't help! <br /><br />Resignation may have its place but certainly not in the context of what the primal therapeutic process presents... a revolution of humans rights... a human EXPECTATION!<br /><br />We can never tell about anxiety and depression to bring about a healing process... we need to show the reason for it... in words around a clinical trial. To do that... we may need a legal process!?<br /><br />Frank<br />Frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02242354226308728116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-86693155739938462572013-01-22T00:25:49.595-08:002013-01-22T00:25:49.595-08:00I am sorry may pal,
Preventive measures without h...I am sorry may pal,<br /><br />Preventive measures without having the key to the primal therapeutic process sounds more like trying without access to what is necessary.<br /><br />There is no one who can give love without actually being satisfied or have experienced the need and what consequences it brought.<br /><br />To hopefully expect... that prevention would be the konseptet sounds more like sitting down and waiting for doomsday.<br /><br />That we in some kind of religious spirit would be so good that we give more than what our options shows are nothing more than hypothetical.<br /><br />The "good" we have is IF we ourselves discover that we need primal therapy to cope with the task.<br /><br />Yours FrankFrankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02242354226308728116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-57254702877139817482013-01-20T04:11:24.503-08:002013-01-20T04:11:24.503-08:00Frank: If everyone were aware of their pain, they ...Frank: If everyone were aware of their pain, they would construct a society that catered to needs plus good birth practices so that there would be no pain in the next generation. Prevention is the key not therapy. ArtArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-19732192657041623662013-01-19T20:05:06.444-08:002013-01-19T20:05:06.444-08:00Art - that's what happens when you tell everyo...Art - that's what happens when you tell everyone that you won't sue.Andrew D Atkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04492591375757227409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-30104277508831140372013-01-19T03:01:52.783-08:002013-01-19T03:01:52.783-08:00What we experience feelings to be... is hell on ea...What we experience feelings to be... is hell on earth... which in turn is the reason why we do all we can to not feel!<br /><br />When so... to not feel... we may "understand" that we are in the hell on earth because of a emotional memory. When we feel that... what... we are also coloring what we understand.<br /><br />When we "understand" us to be in hell on earth... we need someone that feels what the hell on earth is!<br /><br />If we do not feel... symptoms is all around us... whatever it is all about... a professor or a killer!<br /><br />We need to get behind "understanding" by understanding that symptoms is about feelings.<br /><br />Frank<br />Frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02242354226308728116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-45924035210921829562013-01-19T02:40:08.167-08:002013-01-19T02:40:08.167-08:00Will: No I did not know. I don't know any of ...Will: No I did not know. I don't know any of those people or what I am doing on that site. artArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-13767214992744855042013-01-19T00:59:59.561-08:002013-01-19T00:59:59.561-08:00Art!
"NOTICE !
* Readers: Our legacy program...Art!<br /><br />"NOTICE !<br />* Readers: Our legacy program "The Art and Science of Primal Therapy" will be available next year. It is a series of videos exploring in detail how Primal Therapy is done and the theory behind it. It is 4 years in the making."<br /><br />When will this be?<br /><br />FrankFrankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02242354226308728116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-54405136403203046872013-01-19T00:52:52.392-08:002013-01-19T00:52:52.392-08:00My pal Art,
I know you did hiroiska try and it se...My pal Art,<br /><br />I know you did hiroiska try and it seems enough... but Art... there are other eyes ... other ways and possibilities... BUT... there must also be some form of back-up?<br /><br />We are by symtoms egocentric... which blinds us with the consequence that we as a race has no future!?<br /><br />If we knew the primal therapy's effects then would the situation of its contents also look different... that suggests in itself... more must be done to spread what primal therapy contains... how do we do it? <br /><br />If we imagine that a normal Swedish city of about ten thousand inhabitants would suddenly discover their need of primal therapy... then what might happen... what and how would the center react? Art... you my not se what I can se as possible!<br /><br />If not Janovs primal therapy is available then... which the case may already is because of the cost to get to the U.S. ... why other forms of primal therapy is a consequence?<br /><br />What do we do now... puts on us blinders and pretend as if nothing has happened? <br /><br />I think the responsibility is bigger than that and the issue is highly motivated when I only see them around me that without difficulty would embrace primal therapy only someone gave them the information necessary for themselves to see.<br /><br />I believe that this... in one form or another... here at Arts blog would be helpful to look in to... what opportunities is there that can develop this?<br /><br />What do you say Art... what would you do i the case? The question is by no means hypothetical... I can see through my actions that it is within the context of being possible that thousands suddenly would become interested... what do we do then? <br /><br />There are already thousands of victims who are involved in some form of mock primal therapy outside the center... do they know what they got into? No I do not think so.<br /><br />FrankFrankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02242354226308728116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-23828457639979545282013-01-16T09:24:10.449-08:002013-01-16T09:24:10.449-08:00Frank: Please rejoice that there is a place in t...Frank: Please rejoice that there is a place in the world for help. We will stay here in Santa Monica and no other place. artArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.com