tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post1067587390998986690..comments2024-02-11T18:16:53.445-08:00Comments on Janov's Reflections on the Human Condition: The Simple Truth is Revolutionary: On Connection (Part 1/6)Arthur Janovhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16709863014923629409noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-33832799791810581932009-08-19T02:38:55.935-07:002009-08-19T02:38:55.935-07:00Delphi: Most therapists make you feel important an...Delphi: Most therapists make you feel important and cared for, while your internal reality (I am no one and uncared for) is tearing your system apart. Is that what you want? art janovArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-87367373792169923842009-08-17T23:10:26.471-07:002009-08-17T23:10:26.471-07:00oh no, your throat surgery sounds bad Dr. janov. I...oh no, your throat surgery sounds bad Dr. janov. I hope you get well soon.<br /><br /><br />"IN our therapy when one feels bad one knows that there is something that can be done about it. Our aim is not pain; it is only means to an end.....feeling good."<br /><br /><br />this reminds me of a quote from the Primal Scream, I always seem to remember it because its so powerful:<br /><br /><br />For the suffering neurotic who thinks primal therapy is too overwhelming or too difficult to go through, I would only say that the herculean task is to be what you're not. The easiest thing to be.. is yourself.Kazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00688350964818932862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-47425842100790410232009-08-17T22:50:24.255-07:002009-08-17T22:50:24.255-07:00Art,
I understand what you say, and have read the ...Art,<br />I understand what you say, and have read the book. But beyond the internal changes one can't see, can you compare one on one the life of a person who has been a patient of yours, and one who has done another therapy - is there more to be gained than recognizing that a feeling needs to be felt? does one's life ever "get better"? or maybe there is no way of measuring this, in the case, perhaps, of there being such small changes accumulating over time, that after a while they are no longer noticed. what would one have to look forward to, if he has the alternative of fulfilling a false need for as long as he wants (for example having a therapist who makes him feel cared for)?Delphihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11976438860216112291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-12337880737198457602009-08-17T10:59:33.634-07:002009-08-17T10:59:33.634-07:00Delphi: Hi. I think that what happens is that aft...Delphi: Hi. I think that what happens is that after a year or two of formal therapy, feeling becomes a way of life rather than a treatment mode. You feel when necessary; not on any timetable. We have done so much research (see Primal Healing) that shows profound changes down to the molecular level that there is no question that our therapy endures in terms of its lifelong effects. I am 85 next week. If you want therapy I suggest you do it. No No!!! there is no wallowing in pain in our therapy; that is what happens in abreaction, a never ending cycle of release (not relief) and pain again. IN our therapy when one feels bad one knows that there is something that can be done about it. Our aim is not pain; it is only means to an end.....feeling good. art janovArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-61265599838777015502009-08-17T10:36:26.712-07:002009-08-17T10:36:26.712-07:00losangelee: Hi. I am not sure what your name is b...losangelee: Hi. I am not sure what your name is but we will try to make sure that you will not be disappointed in the therapy. Very few are these days. art janovArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-67254885500907770752009-08-17T10:32:01.920-07:002009-08-17T10:32:01.920-07:00Dear Frank. I can no longer speak due to a sever...Dear Frank. I can no longer speak due to a severe throat surgery problem. My wife, Dr. France, who is clinical director of the Primal Center, can, along with members of my staff. You need to invite us, have the means to bring us there and also rent a place for the speech and film. art janovArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-3733686730728645292009-08-17T10:30:47.231-07:002009-08-17T10:30:47.231-07:00Marjan: Abreaction "smells" phony and we...Marjan: Abreaction "smells" phony and we stop it before it becomes a "grooved" response. art janovArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-70392745900524082752009-08-15T14:20:42.479-07:002009-08-15T14:20:42.479-07:00Art,
In your experience, how would a patient's...Art,<br />In your experience, how would a patient's life be different after, say, 30 years of therapy? and compare that with a patient in any mainstream therapy. if such a notable difference takes place after 1 year, one would expect to arrive at some sort of plateau after so and so years of feeling one's feelings, whould they not?<br />If not, what advantages does the therapy offer in comparison with abreaction, if, in the long run, both patients (in PT and another type) still wallow in their pain whenever met with difficulty?Delphihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11976438860216112291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-35907697834091718612009-08-12T04:42:43.149-07:002009-08-12T04:42:43.149-07:00Regarding the abreaction: do you gently stop the p...Regarding the abreaction: do you gently stop the patient the moment he starts abreacting (risking to stop a real primal) or you let him finish it and then later talk to him about that?<br /> It's my impression that some experiences might be a mixture of both primal and abreaction, which makes it more difficult for the therapist to act.<br /><br />MarjanPsihoterapija: Emocionalni metodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02784208941005997883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-40665022730460578662009-08-12T01:28:00.860-07:002009-08-12T01:28:00.860-07:00Hello Arthur,
I would like to know what do you re...Hello Arthur,<br /><br />I would like to know what do you request in order to come to Sweden and do the presentation of Primal therapy so we at least can hope that someway somehow there will be a possibility that primal therapy can be introduced to the Swedish people in a way that could be accepted for a start… I know that you have been here before… but sometime must be the right time… so we can’t give it up!<br />I know that there are many of us that should be “happy” to se primal therapy introduced In Sweden… I know by my own researches that there are very… very difficult because of the suspected minds that control what is right and wrong in psychology… how should this be done? <br />Sincerely<br />Frank LarssonFrankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02242354226308728116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-53282239201391192662009-08-11T03:22:33.571-07:002009-08-11T03:22:33.571-07:00Garevalo: It's like pornography....you know it...Garevalo: It's like pornography....you know it when you see it. It is organic. when you're ready you will know it and no one has to tell you. How could they know more than what you feel inside? art janovArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-91423799467063057232009-08-11T03:20:06.842-07:002009-08-11T03:20:06.842-07:00Richard: I am afraid all the therapists are overlo...Richard: I am afraid all the therapists are overloaded with work and do not have the time to blog. There are few of them, sadly. Righ about the emotional development. Far more important than the academic. art janovArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-85430495859394174302009-08-10T10:19:57.222-07:002009-08-10T10:19:57.222-07:00Marjan I will write in the future about who does ...Marjan I will write in the future about who does not make it and why. art janovArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-78377251361037876892009-08-10T03:08:25.152-07:002009-08-10T03:08:25.152-07:00Hi Art,
"Clearly not everyone gets well...&q...Hi Art,<br /><br />"Clearly not everyone gets well..."<br />I wonder what kind of patients don't make it in PT? What is your experience telling you?<br /><br />MarjanPsihoterapija: Emocionalni metodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02784208941005997883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-58047577446643417832009-08-10T02:29:48.535-07:002009-08-10T02:29:48.535-07:00In one of your videos i remember that Frances Jano...In one of your videos i remember that Frances Janov say that if you have a sympathetic tendency is more probably that you succeed selfprimaling.In the other hand you say that after a time of primal therapy you can do it yourself. So the problem maybe to realises when somebody is prepare to work alone.chyronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15298428106587062871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-10774127101832914182009-08-09T21:36:30.156-07:002009-08-09T21:36:30.156-07:00I hate the idea of someone trying to read my body ...I hate the idea of someone trying to read my body language in a simple academic way. That would be impossible and I would never trust my therapist. I would want my therapist to be empathetic and intuitive. I imagine the time taken for a therapist to deal with his/her own neurosis, the time taken to become more intuitive and to build up experience with patients....this must count for a large portion of the training. I'd expect the academic stuff to be a small part of it.<br /><br />I'm curious as to whether there have been any other primal therapists (currently working at the Arthur Janov Primal Center) who have spoken in this blog?Richard Atkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13587935146938446604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-75377870513962433492009-08-09T15:04:04.709-07:002009-08-09T15:04:04.709-07:00Ok Dr Janov, I'll try not to be such a sympath...Ok Dr Janov, I'll try not to be such a sympath and wait until you've finished the parts (smile).<br /><br />I don't know what you mean by 'my smarts' exactly, but most of my outlook on psychology has evolved from my own reflective thinking from over the years (and casually reading various books). I have a strong drive to understand things as solidly as I can, which is my focus (actually I think I have some neurotic need in that). With respect to neurosis, I am trying to see the full "system" as clearly as I can - hopefully more understanding of the 'why happens', and not just the 'what happens'.<br /><br />I find primal theory to be by far the most comprehensive theory relating to mental sickness: your theory I consider to be essentially validated from own general observations.Andrew D Atkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04492591375757227409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-6404176729446911362009-08-09T12:43:57.987-07:002009-08-09T12:43:57.987-07:00emanuel: Try training and you will see. Art Janov....emanuel: Try training and you will see. Art Janov.Arthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-76299678859048988562009-08-09T07:07:56.901-07:002009-08-09T07:07:56.901-07:00Hi Dr.Janov, this is Emanuel ...I wonder in readin...Hi Dr.Janov, this is Emanuel ...I wonder in reading about the complexities of this therapy why it is so ..! In nature all "good things" run easily and smoothly if her laws are fulfilled and in case of disease humans and animals are gratified with a ordinarily quick recovery i f !!! they return to fulfillment of this laws (fasting for example,biological correct nutrition etc.. Only in case of "mental illness" there is the need of highly trained personell to regain one`s b i o l o g i c a l ability to feel (correclty..?) Yours emanuelemanuelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01380331335118885426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-18775801533274796742009-08-09T01:38:00.027-07:002009-08-09T01:38:00.027-07:00I don't think we specialize in any one kind of...I don't think we specialize in any one kind of patient. We see a whole gamut of conditions. Clearly not everyone gets well, but a sufficient number do that makes me think our therapy is the first real science of psychotherapy. art janovArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-58196276126923689222009-08-08T13:51:08.318-07:002009-08-08T13:51:08.318-07:00Alright Peter, fess up. What do you do? A professi...Alright Peter, fess up. What do you do? A professional? and of course your right about how to phrase it all. I am doing my feeble best. art janovArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-77455412071946372502009-08-08T13:48:59.947-07:002009-08-08T13:48:59.947-07:00Andy where did you get your smarts? After you r...Andy where did you get your smarts? After you read all of the piece (in two parts or more) write what questions you have left. There is a grey area where feelings are enough in and of themselves but that is for therapists to understand, not the lay public. art janovArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-56130740792389708332009-08-08T13:48:17.436-07:002009-08-08T13:48:17.436-07:00Andy: wait wait wait! there is more explanation t...Andy: wait wait wait! there is more explanation to follow. It doesn't take six years to begin to learn this process, for nothing. My therapists would attest to its complex nature. So far you got it mostly right. art janovArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-8994230680649096772009-08-08T01:41:16.573-07:002009-08-08T01:41:16.573-07:00Dear Art,
You might rightly say that I have a com...Dear Art,<br /><br />You might rightly say that I have a compensatory desire (and of course also a defensive style) to for explanations that are all of 'encompassing/precise/true'.<br /><br />However, because that is how I became/am, when I read what you have written I tend to find myself wishing that you had formulated yourself differently.<br /><br />[I know I was throwing stones in my own glass-house by what I just wrote, but that does not mean that I always lack a logical/science-aligned leg to stand on. ;)]<br /><br />One small example: You wrote in this essay, "It would seem that there may be _a chemical affinity between higher and lower sites so that the feelings recognize each other through their chemistry."<br /><br />I would rather have seen that you had put this more plausibly, by words such as: "... a to each specific feeling corresponding chain - the entire length of which also traverses our different levels of our capacity to experience (be conscious) - of synaptically linked excitatory neurons....".<br /><br />Sometimes one has to use not so simple "semantics" [though of course not necessarily my partly decEPTively SEPTIC-humored "sem_antics" %>] in order to with Enough Precision Tell the (most likely and most sense-making) truth.<br /><br />Sincerly, and with plenty of appreciative regards (nevertheless),<br /><br />PeterPbefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12801125543334132971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-75719416714659021302009-08-07T18:23:57.089-07:002009-08-07T18:23:57.089-07:00Hi again Dr Janov,
Quote: "In a feeling with...Hi again Dr Janov,<br /><br />Quote: "In a feeling without context, which is an abreaction"<br /><br />So that is the/a key difference, for a primaler to recognise an abreaction? That is, there is a feeling that is experienced but the feeling is detached from the *specific* event-context? ...so, as I would imagine in an abreaction, the abreactor feels primarily like they are reacting to the feeling itself, rather than reacting to the original traumatic event? Or in an abreaction the context is artifically (creatively) manufactured such as in a dream? (which is still detachment of course)<br /><br />Is that how you would define an abreaction from the subjective position? Can you clarify?<br /><br />I notice that when people speak of being 'emotionally confused' what they effectively mean is that they feel a certain way, but can't really clarify what the reality is that is generating that feeling (I do a lot of that!). Essentially that sounds like the same psychological situation as an abreaction, if I got it right. And indeed, from my own experience, until everyday feelings that we do not understand are linked to their real causes, they don't change or go away! <br /><br />It seems to me that in essence the *raw realites* must be the focus to address, not the feelings as such. Feelings are primarily just the emotional reaction to realites, so it is the realities that we must get to for our feelings to go through real changes*. If that is right, then PT is just a far more profound version of a process that we can observe in everday life: Just dealing with what is real.<br /><br />*(though I understand that realities must be experienced, not just intellectually known, so feelings can only be absolutely on-board with respect to a REAL experience. Psycholanalysis is obviously not experience. It is an academic personal history lesson.)<br /><br />I'm not 100% sure how right all that is. Can you add?<br /><br />AndyAndrew D Atkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04492591375757227409noreply@blogger.com