tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post8349491627089180204..comments2024-02-11T18:16:53.445-08:00Comments on Janov's Reflections on the Human Condition: The Simple Truth is Revolutionary: How to Relive Trauma that Happened during Life in the WombArthur Janovhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16709863014923629409noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-5906387436601162122009-05-21T13:06:33.019-07:002009-05-21T13:06:33.019-07:00Andy: In my olden days before any of my readers w...Andy: In my olden days before any of my readers was born (remember good english......any means any one was) I treated a number of psychotics at the psychiatric clinic where I worked. I was also staff at L.A Children's Hospital, psychiatric dept. ) I never knew why they were so perceptive. Now I do and your letter helps explain it. There is no filter to alter perceptions. What they see is what is. Their defense system is practically non existent. dr. janovArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-12792032852107076242009-05-20T18:48:23.170-07:002009-05-20T18:48:23.170-07:00A thought:
When I was 23 years old I had an inter...A thought:<br /><br />When I was 23 years old I had an interesting experience [I will simplify to what's relevant]:<br /><br />I was woken up by one of my flatmates in the middle of the day. I could not immediately recognise him because I was looking at the back of him and he had shaved off all his hair. At that point of just being woken up I believe I was centred on my 1st line, because I couldn't think and I reacted very directly to my flatmates subtle body movements alone, which spelled out to me "dangerous person!" on an extremely instinctual/perceptual level. I started to feel overwhelming terror build up in me until my flatmate turned around so I could finally recognise him...then the terror subsided as I started to understand what had happened and also woke up properly, so I think my 3rd-line was able to tell my brainstem that I was in fact not in danger. But interestingly my 1st line was actually right. This guy was dangerous and had a history of reckless and dangerous behaviour...a "capable of anything" type.<br /><br />I wouldn't be surprised if psychotics tend to percieve like this, that is, if they're stuck in their 1st-line. They recieve some information that in itself may actually be right, but can't properly mediate it with more 'higher level' information. So they further over-react on top of their over-reaction from yesterdays trauma being triggered.<br /><br />Maybe this is why psychotics can be very perceptive. Able to see more through a baby's eye's?...which may mean not being incessantly distracted by 'secondary' information, as I think us repressed people are. (I wouldn't be surprised if psychopaths are less 'charming' to psychotics).Andrew D Atkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04492591375757227409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-22844394606058933972009-05-15T10:32:00.000-07:002009-05-15T10:32:00.000-07:00Anttij
There is no set rule about when if ever pat...Anttij<br />There is no set rule about when if ever patients relive first line.Generally, the most emotionally disturbed relive it too early and we need to medicate the person to bolster his/her defenses until later on when it can be relived and integrated. It is at least many months into therapy when first line can be relived and integrated. It is not enough to relive; it must be absorbed into the system safely. Rebirthing ignores this caveat with the result of serious overload and damage to the person. There are a few who never have to relive first line. Their problems stem from terrible second line. The death of a parent, having to move a lot, divorce, etc. dr. janovArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-75120361374466115882009-05-15T06:59:00.000-07:002009-05-15T06:59:00.000-07:00It is a shame that despite research such as that o...It is a shame that despite research such as that of Anand and others, psychologists and psychiatrists in general seem completely unaware of the concept of the imprint, or they just ignore it. If a therapy does not address the imprint, how can it be anything but palliative?<br /><br />On the other hand, it is not hard to understand why PT is often easily dismissed as "woo-woo", because it involves actually RELIVING your past traumas - and the further back in the past you go, the more "woo-woo" it might seem. When I first read about patients reliving their birth traumas in The Primal Scream, I was skeptical. Dr. Janov has remarked that he was also skeptical about this, because a neurologist had told him that reliving birth is impossible. Just imagine the skepticism one might have about reliving PREBIRTH traumas!<br /><br />I have a question, Dr. Janov: how long, on average, does it take for a patient at the Primal Center to be able to start reliving first line traumas? What is usually the minimum amount of time before a patient can gain safe access to to first line traumas?<br /><br />Thank you in advance,<br /><br />Antti JalonenAnttiJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12010248788384946781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-73216132796726484512009-05-15T00:24:00.000-07:002009-05-15T00:24:00.000-07:00Hello guillermo. thanks for writing. My book is c...Hello guillermo. thanks for writing. My book is coming out in spanish in 5 weeks. The Primal Scream. dr. janovArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-29231439993816041342009-05-14T02:21:00.000-07:002009-05-14T02:21:00.000-07:00HELLO, I´M GUILLERMO FROM SPAIN, I WANT TO SAY THA...HELLO, I´M GUILLERMO FROM SPAIN, I WANT TO SAY THAT IN THE FUTURE I WOULD LIKE TO DO A MINIRETEAT WITH YOU.RIGTH NOW MONEY DON´T LET ME DO IT. i LIKE A LOT THIS BLOG AND ABOVE ALL THE COMENT IN THE POST. iS AMAZING TO HAVE THE POSIBILLITY OF TALLKING WITH A MAN LIKE ARTHUR JANOV IN THIS COLOQUIAL WAY. IT SURPRISE ME YOUR PATIEN SOME TIME KOWING YOUR VISION ABOUT INTELECTUAL DIALOG. BUT I MUST SAY THAT I LEARN A LOT BECAUSE SOMTIMES I HAVE THE SAME DOUBT THAT THEM. ANY WAY ART THANKS TO EXIST AND HOPE TO SE YOU.chyronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15298428106587062871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-23919334232303960392009-05-13T17:07:00.000-07:002009-05-13T17:07:00.000-07:00Dr Janov: quote:
"The reason they are similar is ...Dr Janov: quote:<br /><br />"The reason they are similar is because we are describing the same event, they from a scientific research point of view, and I from a clinical observational post."<br /><br />I just thought I would comment that this is one way to tell if you're looking at a valid truth - that is, different people coming from often significantly different angles start independantly migrating to the same conclusions. Because that's what you should expect if your theory is sound or mostly sound - concrete reality has only one form, and everything must revolve around it in the end. <br /><br />I know that neurologists have also been talking about "the come back of Freud" because their research is starting to create distinct suggestions that look a lot like Freud's ideas [and yours for that matter] associated with trauma and repression. Same thing.Andrew D Atkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04492591375757227409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-46196574609167273262009-05-11T13:35:00.000-07:002009-05-11T13:35:00.000-07:00Clonidine was one of the original medications for ...Clonidine was one of the original medications for high blood pressure and works basically to suppress. Provigil, and I am not an expert, works to soup up dopamine and alerting, vigilant chemicals. It stimulates the cortex into more effective action. art janovArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-63087852954426437122009-05-11T07:08:00.000-07:002009-05-11T07:08:00.000-07:00What's the difference between the use of provigil ...What's the difference between the use of provigil and clonidine ?<br /><br />Can frequent belch or burp be part of womb life reliving or just first line intrusion ? or both ?frenchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10818717967210193312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-67019870459212646792009-05-11T06:56:00.000-07:002009-05-11T06:56:00.000-07:00Hi Dr.Janov ,I can strongly affirm Your account of...Hi Dr.Janov ,I can strongly affirm Your account of committing violent suicides (are there any smooth ways?) my 10 years ago departed friend was born "dead" by forceps and after decades of psychotic episodes he committed suicide by way of exposing himself to v e r y high voltage elctric current..!! And another case an aqaintenance whose mother was heavily drugged durung and before birth was (is?) an alcoholic whatever that may mean ..consindering some well functioning heavy drinkers..! Yours emanuelemanuelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01380331335118885426noreply@blogger.com