tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post8333164777876293119..comments2024-02-11T18:16:53.445-08:00Comments on Janov's Reflections on the Human Condition: The Simple Truth is Revolutionary: On Connection (Part 2/6)Arthur Janovhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16709863014923629409noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-80414188592610074652009-08-24T21:48:22.046-07:002009-08-24T21:48:22.046-07:00Sabine, I would hate to be in deep depression for ...Sabine, I would hate to be in deep depression for a long time. I understand your need to take action and do what appears to be Janov's primal therapy in Germany. When you are hurting you are desperate for help. I don't want to be brutal with you - but I must say that I think you are taking too much risk with mock PT. Those people can't possibly have the expertise of the people at the Primal Center in LA. It would be a tragedy for someone who can be so honest with herself and so vulnerable to get hurt even more.<br /><br />I know a guy who had a terrible experience in therapy (not PT). He is psychotic...he believes the therapy made him psychotic. During one of his psychotic episodes his therapist started crying and left the room and left him to deal with it all by himself. <br />Now he is on a lot of medication. I can't be sure the therapy made him psychotic, but I'm sure it didn't help. He is a very likable guy and he didn't deserve to go through that.<br /><br />There is LOTS of bad therapy everywhere because lots of well-intentioned therapists are NEUROTIC. Like Frank says, best to be as safe as possible when you start feeling the big stuff.<br /><br />If visa becomes a major problem for me, I will find a way around it. This is way too important.Richard Atkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13587935146938446604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-44582978902233401852009-08-24T09:17:41.698-07:002009-08-24T09:17:41.698-07:00Frank. We are already doing a lot of followup ther...Frank. We are already doing a lot of followup therapy through skype, the internet etc. I want the therapy to be available but each must start with individual therapy for a time to make sure that no abreactive pattern sets in. you know what Henry Miller said decades ago? If you had the best idea in the world, you can be sure someone would immediately come along to put it down and destroy it. alas, humanity. art janovArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-47650639582630947952009-08-24T08:08:46.993-07:002009-08-24T08:08:46.993-07:00Sabine,
When I met my new girlfriend and she start...Sabine,<br />When I met my new girlfriend and she started reading the primal scream, her first comment was "I'm not crazy it is just my feelings I do not understand" a great relief for her... so the view is not uniquely frightening... even then my reaction at the 70's was like yours... how much of the information Janov should release of their own activities about primal therapy should be left for him to decide... that he defend his knowledge is absolutely nothing I would question… given what he knows can happen due to failures... of course it is to wish that there were methods… by perhaps… internet or another way for a’ chance by the primal Institute… to go through primal therapy… we can ask him if there would be possible… If his thoughts ever wondered about such a solution? One thing is sure… I like be as safe as possible to connect something I have given my life to avoid.<br /><br />Sincerly<br />Frank LarssonFrankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02242354226308728116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-78671843720670081872009-08-23T13:23:27.352-07:002009-08-23T13:23:27.352-07:00Thank You Sabine. I appreciate your sentiments ho...Thank You Sabine. I appreciate your sentiments however, I do not know anyone in Germany who practices primal therapy. I don't know any way to ease on the truth because it is what it is. I cannot change it but if I soften it it may no longer be the truth. art janovArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-87034426462005198932009-08-22T08:00:10.044-07:002009-08-22T08:00:10.044-07:00Dear Dr. Janov, please be aware that statements li...Dear Dr. Janov, please be aware that statements like these: *Clearly not everyone gets well, but a sufficient number do that makes me think our therapy is the first real science of psychotherapy.*August 9, 2009 and *I will write in the future about who does not make it and why* August 10, 2009, may seriously discourage those who just start to see and feel the terrible truth about their childhood and who are shocked by it. At the beginning it was very difficult and very hurtful for me to read for instance "biology of love" and some of your articles, because it confronted me abruptly with the unalterable and unbearable truth that my mother hated me already in her womb, never ever loved me, but abandoned and tried to destroy me. Now your book confronted me with the horrible consequences, the damage of my brain and psyche as well. Feeling and knowing this now 52 years later, is like hell. So please know that your sometimes "brutal" – clear! honest! true! - way of telling the truth may increase the desperate fear of being too brain-damaged to get well again. I was in deep depression, PTSD, and sometimes thinking about suicide to end the pain. Reading Janov for me sometimes felt like: it's too late, the damage is too severe. <br />On the other hand, you are absolutely right and I am glad that I have found your books. It has saved and changed my life. And I've never had any doubt about what you are writing, not at least because I'm doing PT now (in Germany) and after half a year I'm already feeling the change, the healing effect of PT. I also know (by reading Janov!) that it is not YOU who is hurting, it is the TRUTH itself. But when you are slamming down the truth could you please be more gentle? There are those who are just beginning to see, to feel, to read Janov, who are desperately trying to survive and still wonder whether they will ever get a chance to heal or not. There is a chance for everyone, I think. Sincerely, SabineAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11572364381581624071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-35136276235011084272009-08-21T11:46:32.248-07:002009-08-21T11:46:32.248-07:00Richard: You are so right. We have been training ...Richard: You are so right. We have been training for the last 3 years almost on a full-time basis. We hope to have some therapists as a result. But many in foreign countries have to return because of visa problems so we do have a problem. It is astounding to me how few are willing to put in the time to learn this therapy. Would any doctor set up surgery in his garage? What is happening now is tantamount to that. art janovArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-29725382382654142442009-08-20T23:53:32.325-07:002009-08-20T23:53:32.325-07:00The main reason why primal therapy hasn't expa...The main reason why primal therapy hasn't expanded is because there just aren't enough people who have the desire or skill to be a primal therapist.<br /><br />I understand that having good access to feelings is not enough. We need time to let our feelings guide us so we can begin to grow up emotionally. I never feel much when I am awake. I feel strong emotions in my sleep - but I am very immature when I am asleep! I don't expect to become an adult soon after I gain access to my feelings through primal therapy.<br /><br />Are there many primal therapist trainees who are currently too immature but show much promise for becoming an unsupervised primal therapist one day? Or do most of them give up.... or invent their own 'mock' therapies aided by a newfound childish confidence?<br /><br />As long as the number of primal therapists is increasing - no matter how gradually - they will multiply exponentially like bacteria....I think a good goal would be for every therapist to 'create' two new therapists in a lifetime.<br /><br />For now we must not allow Janov's therapy to be polluted and lost forever. The few existing primal therapists must understand their responsibility to keep the science going in the right direction.<br /><br />AmenRichard Atkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13587935146938446604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-39397044734916665392009-08-19T02:40:33.325-07:002009-08-19T02:40:33.325-07:00Frank: I will discuss this with staff and answer y...Frank: I will discuss this with staff and answer you in 3 days. art janov it is a real questionArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-75135240881155287812009-08-17T23:32:54.878-07:002009-08-17T23:32:54.878-07:00What you offer is fantastic.
I know there are an i...What you offer is fantastic.<br />I know there are an infinite number of people who wish to participate in primal therapy... but how will they know if information is missing... the problem is availability and information announcing... impossible for only one to deal with... the economic picture also... there are many people who are not even going a step further when the economy are holding back… people who would give everything ... just got the slightest chance of understanding what primal therapy contains.<br />What can we do?<br />Sinsearly<br />Frank LarssonFrankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02242354226308728116noreply@blogger.com