tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post8226011108783190426..comments2024-02-11T18:16:53.445-08:00Comments on Janov's Reflections on the Human Condition: The Simple Truth is Revolutionary: On Hypnosis (Part 23/26)Arthur Janovhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16709863014923629409noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-9067326855564714612011-09-11T21:52:58.278-07:002011-09-11T21:52:58.278-07:00”Paul: A Mercy Department. What a good idea. AJ”
...”Paul: A Mercy Department. What a good idea. AJ”<br /><br />What a nice tone from Art and Paul to be "listening" to... for the rest of us… what a nice tone as could bring about flourishing thoughts of what could be done in life.<br /><br />FrankFrankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02242354226308728116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-28505394289804391682011-09-11T11:24:27.413-07:002011-09-11T11:24:27.413-07:00Hi Art,
I confess, Mercy Dept. isn't an origi...Hi Art,<br /><br />I confess, Mercy Dept. isn't an original idea of mine, I think I got it from Robert Bly, or Noame Chomski, or some other dissenter.<br /><br />Paul G.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02006514330039884557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-59362021440940399262011-09-11T11:08:03.940-07:002011-09-11T11:08:03.940-07:00Hi Jack again,
Sometimes you seem determined to m...Hi Jack again,<br /><br />Sometimes you seem determined to maintain a certain 'position' even when people are agreeing with you. <br /><br />Art's a bit like it (how could he not be like that and developed Primal)? I'm a bit like it, we're all a bit like that too. We all need our own initiative for understanding. We all come "in" with our own angles.<br /><br />Paul G.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02006514330039884557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-1640129590332667772011-09-11T11:05:42.843-07:002011-09-11T11:05:42.843-07:00Paul: A Mercy Department. What a good idea. AJPaul: A Mercy Department. What a good idea. AJArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-79106050289639057242011-09-11T11:04:35.657-07:002011-09-11T11:04:35.657-07:00Paul: Remember, there is the Primal Foundation tha...Paul: Remember, there is the Primal Foundation that can receive funds for future poor patients or for research. AJArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-87240107536982678892011-09-11T10:10:47.088-07:002011-09-11T10:10:47.088-07:00Hi Jack, (and for Frank too);
Let me go further:
...Hi Jack, (and for Frank too);<br /><br />Let me go further:<br /><br />We need a Mercy department as well as a Justice department.<br /><br />Paul G.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02006514330039884557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-46430800057636725962011-09-11T09:41:25.706-07:002011-09-11T09:41:25.706-07:00Hi Jack,
yes indeed. I am the converted and I st...Hi Jack, <br /><br />yes indeed. I am the converted and I still need reminding of my feelings, but silence alone on this blog would not do Arthur Janov any justice and even you can't resist a rant!<br /><br />I am exploring this theme about the legal system because I would prefer those with emotional ears and a good heart learn something from my personal experience about how you can get hurt by using the legal (3rd line) system to cater for feelings.<br /><br />I would rather see the money go into a fund for poor people to get the therapy. How you decide who is worthy (from a limited fund) only the directors of the clinic know. . .<br /><br />Rant on.<br /><br />Paul G.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02006514330039884557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-58965958211441841572011-09-10T07:37:37.536-07:002011-09-10T07:37:37.536-07:00Paul: What I inferred was that the ultimate in o...Paul: What I inferred was that the ultimate in our thinking was the creation of the atom bomb. What this should mean for humankind is that we succeeded in finding a means to obliterate ourselves; F***in Great. We need to do a lot more more feeling and expressing those feeling and cut out most of this whole thinking BS about practically everything.<br />Be sad and cry or sob, be angry and beat the pillow or mattress, be afraid and scream or whatever. FEEL the life for f***'s sake.<br /><br />JackJack Waddingtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06427501529242639591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-49572314407114622472011-09-09T14:45:45.996-07:002011-09-09T14:45:45.996-07:00Hi Frank,
People do and so do I sometimes think t...Hi Frank,<br /><br />People do and so do I sometimes think thoughts that are (only later do I realise) 'confabulations'. These constructs are the mirrors behind which we hide our pain. The bloody intellectuals are the ones who take science too far and make technology out of it.<br /><br />By this I mean a 'technicalised' extension of a sound logical assumption and/or observation.<br /><br />With 'resonance' from the 1st line comes the atom bomb on 3rd. . . .<br /><br />This I feel is what Jack meant when he said "Whatever good did thinking do? It even invented the atom bomb". Or words to that effect.<br /><br />Furthermore technology replicates 1st line forms in many other ways. . . Without knowing it we are 'reconstructing the micro-cosmic macrocosmically' (and vice verca I'm sure).<br /><br />There is a series of really good films called:<br />Koyaanisqatsi, Powaqqatsi & Naqoyqatsi by Francis Ford Coppella which illustrates this theme. Essential viewing.<br /><br />The whole structure of the Legal system is in a strange way uncannily 'constructed' rather like the neurotic brain in so far as you have your "Defence" and you have your "Prosecution" departments. These two dinosaurs roam the mind as-well as the court room and the truth gets totally trampled underfoot.<br /><br />Very occasionally a bloody good theory or idea gets 'tested' in special courts that examine the actual processes in order to prove the validity of an idea. If Primal were to be "LEGITIMISED" then it could be tested in these special courts but I expect one could spend decades "building a case for it"!<br /><br />Paul G.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02006514330039884557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-26100360459174716132011-09-09T11:39:16.854-07:002011-09-09T11:39:16.854-07:00Years ago i allowed myself to be hypnotized by a r...Years ago i allowed myself to be hypnotized by a roommate in college, and what i remember is, once under, feeling incredibly relaxed, as if all the stored up tension in my body had left me; but that's all; there was no insight or connection or resolution, which a deep feeling experience brings.grumpyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07620337750803837746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-23221232510047997692011-09-09T11:39:06.658-07:002011-09-09T11:39:06.658-07:00Hi,
When I tried to use the legal system to addre...Hi,<br /><br />When I tried to use the legal system to address certain 'issues' which you could loosely describe as emotive (involving residency of children) I was advised to keep feelings out of it and rely on the objectivity of my solicitor.<br /><br />You see, that bit (3rd line) can be measured and compared with other (3rd line) realities and so the judges can more easily play parent and punish everyone! That's how most 'parents' handle sibling rivalry. . . -"Behave yourself, or I'll bang your heads together". . .<br /><br />Paul G.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02006514330039884557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-3085282553935272922011-09-08T23:57:23.697-07:002011-09-08T23:57:23.697-07:00Paul "In the third line anything can mean any...Paul "In the third line anything can mean anything".<br /><br />The brain does not think what it wants… it thinks exactly what was necessary for survival ...survival at the time with life-threatening experiences. The tone Paul!<br />That the brain now seeking targets to keep the defense alive ... that we got stuck there… there back then… was a consequence for survival and now has become a primal therapeutic problems ... problems because the primal therapeutic revolution until now have failed ... failed do to all those professors with goal of cognitive methods and psychiatric medication with ECT as a diabolical end to what they are able… that is a tragedy.<br /><br />FrankFrankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02242354226308728116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-78210184162835667172011-09-08T14:03:11.984-07:002011-09-08T14:03:11.984-07:00frank i like what you are saying but i don't k...frank i like what you are saying but i don't know how it can work.<br /><br />REMEMBER:<br />the primal center has done studies but the reviewers haven't understood the results. <br /><br />they prefer cognitive therapy evidence because it is simple. cognitive therapy evidence does not have to account for the complex dynamics seen in a patient who is gaining access to deeper brain levels and changing physiologically.<br /><br />cognitive therapy evidence consists of basic testimonials taken from neurotic patients. according to dr. janov, those testimonials are not reliable evidence. <br /><br />so how do we get reviewers to understand primal therapy evidence? we can't force them to understand it. the law has it's limits. do you know any cheap lawyers who are willing to help?Richard Atkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13587935146938446604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-48303345104737992682011-09-08T12:58:17.201-07:002011-09-08T12:58:17.201-07:00Hi Frank,
You are very persuasive writer and you ...Hi Frank,<br /><br />You are very persuasive writer and you have nearly convinced me to get handy with the "statement writing". <br /><br />From my own experience one has to write statements for a legal process and unfortunately these 'statements' can and will be used in evidence against you.<br /><br />Legal processes happen in the 3rd line. In this 'line of reasoning' only one third of the conscious truth makes sense. Thus the meaning and value of Primal Theory could easily become lost in the 'sepia toned' and two dimensional.<br /><br />Possibly only one dimensional where criminals are forgiven and victims taxed.<br /><br />With all my passion I would love to fight the true fight. With all my passion I would love to tell the intellectuals "How it is" but every time I have attempted this 'involved' process the 3rd line intellectuals throw the baby out and discuss only the bath water. For them the bath water is more important and best disposed of asap.<br /><br />After that, who knows where the baby went.<br /><br />Paul G.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02006514330039884557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-10425062816921308932011-09-08T02:52:56.988-07:002011-09-08T02:52:56.988-07:00This below cannot be told in off of times.
No on...This below cannot be told in off of times. <br /><br />No one with “need” to be a professor... will or can never discover the sentence about science when the need to be a “professor” satisfies the child in them. As more science there is proven as more will the professor hold against it… against it because of what science will provoke. Against it… as long as not being proven to be wrong… that is what a legal process will do… prove what all those professors do wrong … if done right in the legal process.<br />This is what Dr. Arthur Janov has to fight… fight because he cannot let poor “humans” treat children to become poor “humans”. I am convinced… we will need a legal process to address this human problem. Nothing else… what so ever will make a revolution possible? <br />The silent meaning… in all office there is of psychology … with wrights to their own “professional” opinion… will be until the day they are proven wrong.<br /><br />FrankFrankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02242354226308728116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-68123767978115357742011-09-07T14:40:53.255-07:002011-09-07T14:40:53.255-07:00"In the third line anything can mean anything..."In the third line anything can mean anything."<br /><br />apollo, the third line can believe anything and the other lines are innately meaningless. repressed terror is meaningless because it is unresolved. like a shark, the unconcluded signal is free to roam wherever similar signals are resonating. old meaningless terror is able to blend unconsciously with each new experience.....creating subtle new beliefs without any real meaning. a neurotic might believe<br /><br />"Janov is hiding something"<br /> <br />neurotics can't get the real meaning of ANYTHING until they have non-neurotic communication between all lines. <br /><br />apollo, before you disagree, i think you should consider this one fundamental point:<br /><br />neurotics have no DESIRE to challenge all of the thoughts that SEEM to make sense.<br />_________________________________________<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />apollo, you don't need to have blind faith. you just need to wake up out of your intellect.Richard Atkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13587935146938446604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-20580569278677090622011-09-07T12:34:29.550-07:002011-09-07T12:34:29.550-07:00Art: I think I have read enough about hypnotism...Art: I think I have read enough about hypnotism and hypnotherapy to last me a lifetime and I'm sick of it. I know I was at my most suggestible (hypnotized) in my early childhood when it was suggested what was righteous and what was wrongteous and what was moral and what was immoral, what was disgusting to them, and what they wanted me to be. <br /><br />Fortunately after 30 years of Primal Therapy I have gotten back (to a major extent) the real me (the good, the bad and the downright ugly) and can live with all three. I thank you for that Art. <br /><br />I've abandoned all notions of ethics and morality seeing them as constructs of religion. I want none of it. I am content (for want of a better word) with myself and know I will be feeling and expressing those feelings, for the rest of my life, when, as far as I'm concerned, I will cease to feel anymore.<br /><br />JackJack Waddingtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06427501529242639591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-37742676257732835502011-09-06T14:52:47.325-07:002011-09-06T14:52:47.325-07:00Hi,
In the third line anything can mean anything....Hi,<br /><br />In the third line anything can mean anything.<br /><br />Paul G.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02006514330039884557noreply@blogger.com