tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post8117924849866902678..comments2024-02-11T18:16:53.445-08:00Comments on Janov's Reflections on the Human Condition: The Simple Truth is Revolutionary: When the Unconscious and Conscious Become OneArthur Janovhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16709863014923629409noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-10183077564015872292015-06-01T20:43:23.054-07:002015-06-01T20:43:23.054-07:00It's great post! Thanks for sharing!It's great post! Thanks for sharing!It'sgyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09407323943552384434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-5835240554604912172015-04-14T14:31:16.579-07:002015-04-14T14:31:16.579-07:00Jacquie: Jacquie About parents being proud: don...Jacquie: Jacquie About parents being proud: don't over-estmate the power of neurosis to erase pride. I wrote the Primal Scream in the 60's and it was published in 1970. My father came to see me in 1969 and saw a manuscript on the table. He asked me what it was. I said it was a book I just finished called The Primal Scream. He picked it up, leafed through it for 2-3 seconds put it down and said, "We know all that". And proceeded to walk outside. That moment froze in my mind, cause I said to myself, what do I have to do to get approval or some nice word, like "how good you got a book published." But then he never read a book and I am sure could not understand them so he was too challenged by it all. He could not feel proud cause he felt stupid. artArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-87020702243090377742015-04-14T14:29:50.169-07:002015-04-14T14:29:50.169-07:00Jacquie: Well how sweet. My mother, also known as...Jacquie: Well how sweet. My mother, also known as crazy annie, came to me after I was a shrink for many years and said, "what is it you do? Is it psychriatry; if so remember I know more in my little finger than you will ever know." My mother who was illiterate lived in another world. What they would think would never change; they were russian peasants and remained so. artArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-78890762347791702132015-04-03T03:27:58.142-07:002015-04-03T03:27:58.142-07:00Art, look what Annie &your Father produced, th...Art, look what Annie &your Father produced, think about what they would think if they knew the person you have become, what you are doing (&will continue to do) for the world. It gives me goosebumps<br />Reading this, I'm humbled &awed (yet again) what you have come from, to what you are. You are truly magnificent &inspiring<br />Again, I wish you could live forever<br /><br />I'm sometimes almost shocked by the intensity of emotion in my dreams, those near waking/sleep-finish/to do w/present day happenings. And the vividness/creativity/colour. It's like my heart is wringing out &my head is exploding. JacquieJacquiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10794214106644328210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-47131873485041739142015-03-10T12:17:55.227-07:002015-03-10T12:17:55.227-07:00Hi planespotter,
I've been listening to BBC ...Hi planespotter,<br /><br />I've been listening to BBC Radio 4 series on 'debt'. Apparently the word to 'pay' comes from the word to pacify and the meaning of the word 'forgive' is related actually to debt, or rather the 'foregoing' of debt.<br /><br />It is with some considerable irony that all these things come from the religious glergy's attempts to organise and standardise the different values for various different household goods and more interestingly the various parts of the body when subject to loss / injury / destruction and therefore how to 'pacify' with 'compensation'.<br /><br />The Magna Carter (this year 800 years old) is a fine example of this way of thinking.<br /><br />We even talk about 'clerics' but the word 'clerical' has come to mean finance. . .<br /><br />It seems that some terrible con has taken place whereby we have all become permanently indebted to each other and somehow compelled to forgive, but we are not the clergy telling us that are we? Moreover the clergy aren't the bankers lending us more digital finance to pacify ourselves either. . .<br />When you consider for a moment that ALL the worlds resources cannot be valued to even 0.0001% of the digital capital that exists to buy it up with, you realise that we have made the world 'owe us' a 'debt' which can never be paid.<br /><br />Debt and forgiveness is therefore THE zeitgeist of the last two millennia and we are indentured slaves to it. Religion keeps the ideals / belief going.<br /><br />If you give up religion, you will inevitably face your debts without the belief they were worth the paper they were promised / printed on. . .<br /><br />Paul G.<br />Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02006514330039884557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-65166824943156378672015-03-08T12:45:51.234-07:002015-03-08T12:45:51.234-07:00Hi Richard,
-" I am not sure if my apathy is...Hi Richard,<br /><br />-" I am not sure if my apathy is a result of repression"-.<br /><br />My bet is that it is. Whether or not you uncover this form of 'denial' and gain access to the void of what you should have received from your Dad BEFORE he dies, if you remain true to your own Primal principles, you will probably feel bereft AFTER he dies. <br /><br />Many men report not being able to 'get on with their lives' until after the death of their fathers because the deep underlying hope that the old bastards will finally acknowledge us and meet our need for approval doesn't die until they do. Then, it is like the floor has dropped away from under our feet, the carpet pulled out and the grief of unmet need surges up. . . Only then can we 'let go of false hope, grieve for what we never had and get on with our lives'. . .<br /><br />Despite having formed a kind of truce with my Dad I know for sure I will turn to jelly when he finally goes.<br /><br />Paul G.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02006514330039884557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-60179322634477546932015-03-07T13:05:31.509-08:002015-03-07T13:05:31.509-08:00Maybe some feelings require the total absence of h...Maybe some feelings require the total absence of here-and-now distractions, and for that reason they emerge more easily when you are asleep. Or maybe sleep is sometimes a good compromise when you do not have a therapist to stop you from being distracted. Who knows? I guess it doesn't really matter so long as you are resolving your feelings.<br /><br />Art, what do you mean when you say "Not everyone has to have merging levels of consciousness"<br /><br />Also, I found it interesting when you said you rarely have feelings about your mother because she was not really there. If both my parents died painlessly, I just can't imagine that I would feel bad at all! I mean.....they are nothing to me. Just two people whom I never loved and who never loved me. Why should I care when they are gone? I can't. I am not sure if my apathy is a result of repression or if my parents have always been so unlovable that I would simply not be losing loved ones. My feelings about them (in my dreams) have always revolved around my feelings of rejection and abandonment -- but never any yearning to be close to them. Asking to be close to them would be like hugging a frozen tree (my mother) or hugging an enraged demon (my father). When I was about nine I tried to be my father's friend, doing virtually anything he wanted, I went running with him in the mornings, tried to have friendly conversations with him, but he was never comfortable with friendliness and was only happy when I performed well and made him look like an amazing father. My desire to be his friend was quickly demolished (by him) and my hatred towards him grew more and more over the years, but now when I see him I feel nothing. <br /><br />Yeah I know it's a waste of time thinking about this stuff. Just got to discover the feelings hiding in my unconscious.Richard Atkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13587935146938446604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-21526698797063993162015-03-07T01:22:06.470-08:002015-03-07T01:22:06.470-08:00There is that classic cliche/joke about therapy an...There is that classic cliche/joke about therapy and especially about Freud "So tell me about your Mother" which obviously does point in the generally right direction in that our experience in our Mothers womb and our experiences in the first 2 years of life when she is often our only carer is vital in how we turn out. When I read Art's piece I was initially worried about the influence of forgiveness which can be a terribly malign and destructive imposition on a very hurt person by a Society generally unaware of how it damages it's own members. Boy have I had enough of that powerful dogma thrust in my direction by other family members most of whom are wrapped up in Religious dogma.<br /><br />I can understand your anger and bitterness Marco as I feel the same. My Mother was and is a Bullying Coward unable to face her own abuse as a child so deny's all the things she did to me and my Sister were very abusive. I pity my Mother but I cannot forgive nor can I see her in a positive light. Right now I feel it would be destructive to even try. The whole issue of forgiveness is so powerful in my head due to my Father's Catholic imposed guilt that I worry it would undo much good Art's therapy has so obviousy done for me. It is a fight sometimes to feel the anger and fury she evokes in me because of an urge to forgive her. Maybe that's the first signs of my need to be loved. I am not sure whether it's a neurotic one or the real one. Time will tell. <br /><br />Thank you Art for your help and your teams help. I honestly do feel partly out of the woods now.<br /><br />planespotterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05315637682741508786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-29886600965952119262015-03-06T10:09:44.765-08:002015-03-06T10:09:44.765-08:00Very accurate, Art. "There is nothing permane...Very accurate, Art. "There is nothing permanent except change itself" (Heraclitus)Despertareshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02896761553793062978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-32946474777556576362015-03-06T05:40:05.874-08:002015-03-06T05:40:05.874-08:00Art, Apologies for my Italian /broken English mish...Art, Apologies for my Italian /broken English mishmash...!!<br />I was flabbergasted that Your parents were russians and since I do know some Mrs.Ayn Rand`s<br />books (she a a russian who came to America and unfortunately adopted it`s (America`s "philosophy of radical "free" capitalism etc.<br /><br />I tried to celbrate the russian Genius ! coming to America via the genes of You(resp.Your parents.<br /><br />Again I beg Your pardon for my poor english!<br />Your emanuelemanuelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01380331335118885426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-31061727918845487032015-03-05T17:43:16.212-08:002015-03-05T17:43:16.212-08:00It`s always more interesting to find out what an i...It`s always more interesting to find out what an individual has gone through specifically than to just read about generalisations of personal experiences. Or if you will, case histories as an indispensable compliment to psychological theory. The touching experiences of Dr Janov will also probably evoke a lot of feelings about our own mothers. As for me, I have not ovecome the intense bitterness and rage I`ve felt all my life towards her, although it`s a lot better. I still can`t be around my mother for a long time, because everything about her annoys me. Art`s age, she is a typical Italian fascist of the 30s era, harsh and authoritarian,my always being a lazy good for nothing in her eyes. To try to get her approval when young, I`d point out I was first of my class, and that I did not get high marks from telepathic studying. But that made no differences to her contempt for me. For her, work meant cutting the grass, and such useless activities, and I was not interested.Thus was born a life-long angry anarchist.<br /><br />Art`s understanding of his mother seems to be a genuine one, achieved after going through much therapeutic cleansing , so to speak. Contrast that with the facile calls to premature "forgiveness" by so many so-called "spiritual" people, and other dull middle-class types. I remember listening to AA people talk about heir upbringing,and they would all inevitably either say that their parents were OK with them, or, if the parents were harsh, they would say that their parents did their best. In the former case, I doubt any alcoholic had parents that were OK. In the latter case, their understanding of their parents seemed phony to me, done to appear "spiritual" and "forgiving" to themselves and the rest of the "forgiveness" addicts of AA.When i expressed my bitterness , I was subtily marginalised. But so what? I no longer waste my time going to AA.<br /><br />MarcoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-68982925802370026902015-03-05T12:43:15.747-08:002015-03-05T12:43:15.747-08:00Thanks for this Art as always. I am finding sleep ...Thanks for this Art as always. I am finding sleep quite interesting at the moment. Firstly I think I am sleeping differently for the first time in my life. My dreams are no longer surreal (or not often) and seem to be like real life as you have suggested in your writing. I have even been aware that I have been dreaming sometimes. I have thought during a dream "I'm dreaming". Amazing! :-)<br /><br />planespotterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05315637682741508786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-35549584294287598552015-03-05T12:09:19.180-08:002015-03-05T12:09:19.180-08:00Beachcoast: thanks. empathy always helps artBeachcoast: thanks. empathy always helps artArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-2984221581970171172015-03-05T02:58:58.148-08:002015-03-05T02:58:58.148-08:00It is inspirational and motivational to a lot of p...It is inspirational and motivational to a lot of people; Art's writing this. The accomplishments he has made in spite of the upbringing he had, just shows a lot of character and strength that he has. Another man or woman may not have survived so well. Seriously. beachcoast7https://www.blogger.com/profile/17348238170525257587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-85194974048529244772015-03-05T02:14:48.845-08:002015-03-05T02:14:48.845-08:00From thinkers to become sentient... from hell to b...From thinkers to become sentient... from hell to become feeling human beings!<br /><br />So once we comes over the barrier... the obstacle (neocortex) against to feel so there's no turning back... we can only become more and more "normal" for what the human foundation in its evolutionary process is intended. What a brilliant option! <br /><br />When we talk about freedom... I understand where it comes from! To be detained at sentences about life... thoughts against feelings. Thoughts to solve technical problems instead of feeling the hell as constructed them and become loving people. What a most extreme disaster! <br /><br />To be faced with katastrofala feelings is like the eternal solitude... it without any experience of the process of love's enormous significance! Now thoughts is formed... it in neocortex for what we now know the church's preaching to "burn in hell" comes from... it to schizophrenia and anxiety. Art... I do understand your promptings of caution.<br /><br />FrankFrankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02242354226308728116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-9846609374509614112015-03-04T14:15:30.980-08:002015-03-04T14:15:30.980-08:00Hi Art,
"-Primal Therapy is a way of life&qu...Hi Art,<br /><br />"-Primal Therapy is a way of life"-. <br /><br />For those of us having trouble making it to the center it's more than comforting to realise the truth in this. Your writing does actually lead some of us to feelings. . . I don't think you're stuck in litany, or ever could be. . . I don't see how any feeling person could write posts on a blog like this as do you, deal with us (on top of all your patients grief over 50yrs) and somehow be finished with their own feelings. . ? <br /><br />You may have become an apologist for your own 'therapy'. . . Precisely because everyone elses snake oil promises an 'end'. . . We only 'end' with death. That truth is scary WITHOUT feelings. . . With feelings (thanks to you and your writings) I for one know I will arrive at my end with some dignity. <br /><br />Paul G.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02006514330039884557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-56242520164190136412015-03-04T11:09:04.367-08:002015-03-04T11:09:04.367-08:00Nenad: I forgot to say how nice it is to get these...Nenad: I forgot to say how nice it is to get these kind of letters. It makes all so rewarding. art<br />Arthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-20808803433471468892015-03-04T11:02:07.415-08:002015-03-04T11:02:07.415-08:00An email comment:
Art thanks for writing this... ...An email comment: <br /><em>Art thanks for writing this... I remember meeting you at the institute on Altamont you seemed to me almost like a tornado, it must be so hard when everyone looks to you for all the answers instead of their own hearts. I am so sorry that you had such a painful life, that you weren't nurtured and cherished as you should have been... Thank you for freeing me along with yourself and thank you for writing this. Love you.</em>Arthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-30539277392165988872015-03-04T10:59:30.689-08:002015-03-04T10:59:30.689-08:00Gary, Ayayay, in all my latest books I say that Pr...Gary, Ayayay, in all my latest books I say that Primal Therapy is a way of life, not a therapy as such. We go on crying like we go on laughing. We do the human thing. I started to write the Primal Scream almost 50 years ago. Things change and I learn. I hope I never get stuck in any litany. artArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-29493602389031531692015-03-04T10:56:56.951-08:002015-03-04T10:56:56.951-08:00Emanuel: Lets try again as I do not understand wha...Emanuel: Lets try again as I do not understand what you are trying to say. artArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-91675445541255326322015-03-04T10:18:56.146-08:002015-03-04T10:18:56.146-08:00Thanks Art,
Reading this I cried, and that made m...Thanks Art,<br /><br />Reading this I cried, and that made me feel unblocked. Sometimes I feel blocked due to my induced breech birth with anestesia. Crying for you and crying for me made me so vivid and alive now.<br /><br />It is nice to read about scientific side of feelings, and also it is nice to read about feeling the feelings.<br /><br />NenadNenadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09956452085815490924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-69849372510271952122015-03-04T09:28:00.215-08:002015-03-04T09:28:00.215-08:00So true and so devastating. I understand. I truly ...So true and so devastating. I understand. I truly do.<br />Now, You say "They rise when I and my brain are ready for feelings."…"my body temp remains very low…". So, there is an I, the possessor, the owner (so to speak) of the body, brain and feelings. So you're not those parts. They 'belong' to You. Consider for a minute how releasing that sounds. If I am the "feeler" not the feelings themselves, then I am, so are you, more, much more, than the expression of my self. Maybe there's still a meaning for Life: feeling the pain. Could be experiencing pain is something we can only undergo while "staying alive". Could be after all there is more of something else 'after' Life. A new birth? You don't have to buy this bullshit (unless you consider it not simply bullshit) Despertareshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02896761553793062978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-4873377396823732272015-03-04T08:12:21.352-08:002015-03-04T08:12:21.352-08:00I´m still astonished you´re primalling 48 years af...I´m still astonished you´re primalling 48 years after your first one Art. In The New Primal Scream, "Alietta" wrote that after just 15 years she was no longer sure she even had an unconscious after years of birth primals and these being spaced further apart too (as a general rule) as the years went on. <br /><br />In your first book you say that formal therapy ends after several mnths, though primalling continues for some time afterwards. There is a widespread belief that you were saying then that the total primal period is much shorter than it obviously is with yourself, perhaps just a couple of years. Certainly "Tom", "Gary" etc in the Primal Scream give the impression of absolutely massive changes and great joy aftr just a 3 week intensive. So the question on my lips, and this is a big issue on the primal scene, is: "Done properly just how long will your average neurotic take to deal with all his pain?" Is this possible? Did you once believe it was possible to deal with the whole lot in, say 18 months, and if so, do you still believe this?<br /><br /><br />as you explain in your books. Garynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-47706225854925008092015-03-04T08:04:54.129-08:002015-03-04T08:04:54.129-08:00Paul, thanks. I'm glad too. art Paul, thanks. I'm glad too. artArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-41416112235554148712015-03-04T08:04:05.961-08:002015-03-04T08:04:05.961-08:00Willien, What a terrific, feeling letter. I am ...Willien, What a terrific, feeling letter. I am so moved when I see that others are moved by my writing. thanks so much art<br />Arthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.com