tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post7440122528972549550..comments2024-02-11T18:16:53.445-08:00Comments on Janov's Reflections on the Human Condition: The Simple Truth is Revolutionary: More on HallucinogensArthur Janovhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16709863014923629409noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-18108870052311820562017-02-11T14:21:28.912-08:002017-02-11T14:21:28.912-08:00Be careful of angry exchanges; there are many viol...Be careful of angry exchanges; there are many violent people out there. Art<br /><br />Arthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-65582306276402514172017-02-11T14:20:27.162-08:002017-02-11T14:20:27.162-08:00I have never seen self primal therapy done correct...I have never seen self primal therapy done correctly. ArtArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-82870112033958859332017-02-09T21:14:10.831-08:002017-02-09T21:14:10.831-08:00Believe me, it is worth it. I am also a patient of...Believe me, it is worth it. I am also a patient of this therapy as well as its doctor. ArtArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-35573601664099465972017-02-06T18:14:21.990-08:002017-02-06T18:14:21.990-08:00Paul G.
Thanks for taking the trouble to reply. M...Paul G.<br /><br />Thanks for taking the trouble to reply. Myself, I sometimes feel it's not worth the trouble even to try.<br /><br />Erik<br />Erik Lundholmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02488110108743043969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-85917479839205209932017-02-06T11:34:30.965-08:002017-02-06T11:34:30.965-08:00So so true. ArtSo so true. ArtArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-21814601430835234162017-02-05T21:53:03.458-08:002017-02-05T21:53:03.458-08:00llifthrasir,
No drug will change the imprint driv...llifthrasir,<br /><br />No drug will change the imprint driving the PTSD symptoms. No drug will de methylate genes. No drug will substitute re-living trauma. If LSD has any 'positive effect' at all it will be to temporarily boost dopamine which 'lightens' the mood and blocks the imprints negative effects on the neocortex. There is a very small possibility that these drugs can help gain access to stored / repressed trauma but it will be chaotic access and produce more problems than it offers solutions (abreaction).<br /><br />The most worrying thing about any of these so called cures and so called shamans is that the people who promote them - the 'proponents' are completely unaware of this absolute truth regarding imprints. They need educating.<br /><br />We deceive ourselves and settle for the results of self deception. <br /><br />But for every successful 'self deception' using LSD, Psilicybin, Ayahuasca, Ebocane, THC, and the many others from the lexicon of so called 'traditional cures' there are dozens more you don't hear about that result in nothing at all or worse, result in psychosis, pre-psychosis, suicide, and various other maladies and 'conditions'. . .<br /><br />You cannot change the imprint with any drug and so any drug taken will be purely palliative at best.<br /><br />Lets be honest eh?<br /><br />Paul G.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02006514330039884557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-83863028683351258782017-02-05T12:47:33.346-08:002017-02-05T12:47:33.346-08:00No need to be a luddite. When you have an acciden...No need to be a luddite. When you have an accident you need pain pills. It is the chronic use I discuss. ArtArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-57719132576014286462017-02-05T12:46:43.120-08:002017-02-05T12:46:43.120-08:00I have no idea what he believes. Judging by the p...I have no idea what he believes. Judging by the past he believed in a great deal that did not exist. ArtArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-48468162736997300792017-02-03T06:10:10.779-08:002017-02-03T06:10:10.779-08:00Watch Kelly Brogan for debunking the brainchemical...Watch Kelly Brogan for debunking the brainchemical hypothesis. LSD is currently again used on veterans suffering PTSD, with promising results. Watch Stanislav Grov on the use of LSD. Also many people claim good results using Ayahuasca, only done by real shamans, knowing what they are doing, is also said to give good results with psychological trauma. Personnally i used THC oil to balance out/neutralize emotional imbalances/depression, suffering from CPTSD. Chemical drugs made by Big Pharma, blocking certain mechanisms in the brain are of a different order. llifthrasirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16961658226264455112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-40400388433168561362017-02-02T13:24:14.572-08:002017-02-02T13:24:14.572-08:00Hi,
which implies it is possible to re-live stuff...Hi,<br /><br />which implies it is possible to re-live stuff that at the time you were not 'awake' during it's original occurance. . .<br /><br />Paul G.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02006514330039884557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-56170627463047799752017-02-02T04:07:30.208-08:002017-02-02T04:07:30.208-08:00Hello David!
A well explained cause of suffering!...Hello David!<br /><br />A well explained cause of suffering! But this is what happens with or without medication... everything is up to what our own body has left in reserve to protect against what would otherwise leak and we go crazy. That the medic mixture ends to work... or causes other symptoms is the risk we take when we are medicated without the necessary knowledge.<br /><br />What aggravates our suffering is that we do not understand the consequences of medication... maybe it knocks out our system and later prevents its own production of neurotransmitters... it is for science to show... prove! So it is of utmost importance that we'll get the right care form the beginning as our suffering becomes unbearable... it's vital.<br /><br />I hope everything will go well for you.<br /> <br />Your FrankFrankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02242354226308728116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-21586455716213942942017-02-01T17:01:14.166-08:002017-02-01T17:01:14.166-08:00I get it but the load is too heavy. ArtI get it but the load is too heavy. ArtArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-54408404690850367122017-02-01T17:00:24.543-08:002017-02-01T17:00:24.543-08:00I cannot make public statements on drugs. I do kno...I cannot make public statements on drugs. I do know about Dilantin and some patients, decades ago, were on it, but no more. ArtArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-47610238023234953252017-02-01T16:58:54.715-08:002017-02-01T16:58:54.715-08:00Yes,I have had patients who did relived surgeries,...Yes,I have had patients who did relived surgeries, few and far between. But we verified later that they seemed to be accurate. ArtArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-86276236059081039432017-02-01T10:29:24.244-08:002017-02-01T10:29:24.244-08:00Offtopic.
Art
I had few surgeries, one very dange...Offtopic. <br />Art<br />I had few surgeries, one very dangerouse when I had cut my all ribs and sternum, until now I don't feel my skin above. I think my body remebers it. Have you had patients who relieved surgeries? Is it possible?Katarzynahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17911400318077957562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-25484215151963385302017-02-01T10:16:35.793-08:002017-02-01T10:16:35.793-08:00Art,
What do you think of Dilantin?
I had a fr...Art, <br /><br />What do you think of Dilantin?<br /><br />I had a friend, who has since passed away, who took this for many years. He swore by it.<br /><br /><br />I asked my doctor for a prescription and he said, David it is a powerful drug, and I am afraid to give it to you.<br /><br /><br />I recall seeing a story on it on 60 minutes many years ago, espounding the benefits of it and a very much under prescribed drug.<br /><br />And it was not prescribed much any more because the patent was expired on it and there was no money in it. So new drugs are prescribed, but not near as effective.<br /><br />I think I recall the host of the show, which I think was Morely Safer, said it was almost harmless. <br /><br />What is your opinion of it?<br /><br />David Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08244698465989773529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-47293237328327412182017-02-01T10:09:41.174-08:002017-02-01T10:09:41.174-08:00I also have narcolepsy. And some time later I tol...I also have narcolepsy. And some time later I told him my problem with falling asleep at about an hour and a half to two hour intervals during the day.<br /><br />He prescribed Alertex or Alertec, I am not sure which.<br /><br />Alertex is a form of the drug Modafinil which is manufactured by Saval Pharmaceuticals Company in Chile. ... Besides being used for these medical diagnoses, Alertex is used off-label for lifestyle purposes as a cognitive enhancer or smart drug.<br /><br />Alertec: It prevents sleepiness by stimulating certain parts of the brain. ... It is also used to reduce excessive daytime sleepiness for people with obstructive sleep apnea or hypopnea syndrome (breathing disorder that happens while sleeping), shift-work sleep disorder, or circadian rhythm sleep disorder.<br /><br />It was probably the latter.<br /><br />Anyways my experience with Alertec was similar to that which I had with serzone.<br /><br />It worked fine for a while.<br /><br />Then one day I was washing dishes and while standing at the sink, I rapidly began to get weak and I almost fell to the floor.<br /><br />I struggled to get to the living room and sat down and waited until I recovered.<br /><br />That was my last experience with taking drugs.<br /><br /><br />Long story short, I had to go on disability pension in 2008.<br /><br />I began more researching (I say more, because I was researching the cause of my problems and how to cure them all my life during every spare moment I had.), but when I went on disability pension, my basic needs were covered and I devoted full time to research in to every kind of alternative therapy I could find and did a lot of experimenting and through trial and error and learning from errors and failures, I am better today, at 63 than I have been in my life. <br /><br />But I am not out of the woods yet. Just much better.<br /><br />Trying to do self therapy is almost like trying to pull your own car out of the swamp with a rope. It is not easy. But ever so little, by little I do see improvement over time.<br /><br />A tow truck with a professional operator would pull the car out of the swamp in short order. If you get the analogy.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08244698465989773529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-40114647083591051982017-02-01T10:08:51.083-08:002017-02-01T10:08:51.083-08:00In around 2000, I had an experience with Serzone, ...In around 2000, I had an experience with Serzone, I would call it a synthetic serotonin.<br /><br />My family doctor prescribed it for me.<br /><br />I can't remember the exact recommendations on when I was supposed to take them.<br /><br />But it went something like this:<br /><br /><br />I think I was supposed to take one, say every four hours.<br /><br />I had a sales job at the time.<br /><br />I took it every four hrs and I felt pretty good for a few days.<br /><br />Then I realized that the effects were wearing out before the four hr time point.<br /><br /><br />And I also realized that when it wore off, I went into deep depression and became very dysfunctional.That was a terrible feeling. When it wore off, I had a difficult time thinking, and speaking. <br /><br />So I reasoned that I had to take another pill about half an hour before the expected time it would wear off. To keep ahead of the previous dose wearing off. <br /><br />I did this for a few days, maybe two or three days. And it seemed to work. <br /><br />I then realized that the time it would be effective was steadily decreasing. Instead of being effective for four hours it was gradually decreasing to three, then two hours then one hour.<br /><br /><br />So I found myself having to be very vigilant and keep on taking it earlier and earlier to make sure I would keep ahead of it losing effect, and go into deep dysfunctional depression. I was down to about an hour. <br /><br />Then I reasoned that I should take two at a time. That seemed to work for a while. But only for a while. And not long, maybe a day or two, maybe three, I can't remember exactly.<br /><br />Then I upped it to four at a time.<br /><br />And the effect was the same pattern of decreasing effectiveness over time.<br /><br />Then one day while on a sales call, I took my pills in advance at a time, where I calculated and estimated where I would be operating on full power during the sales call.<br /><br />But while in the midst of my presentation in which I was standing in the potential clients lobby and speaking to her, the effect of the serzone quit abruptly while I was in mid speech. I instantly went into the black hole of depression and got weak and my words became slurred and came out in the wrong order. <br /><br />I became very embarrassed and I excused myself as best I could and said I have to leave. And staggered out to my vehicle. I carefully drove out of the way and rested until I recovered. <br /><br />That was the last time I took a serzone pill.<br /><br />I went back to my doctor and explained what happened, as I wrote above.<br /><br /><br />He said, yes I know what you mean, we have had other patients complaining of problems with serzone. <br /><br />I think he said that they were going to take if off the market or considering it. But according to what I read on line, it appears that it is still on the market today.<br /><br />Anyways, the doctor said I was the smartest patient he had. <br /><br />David Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08244698465989773529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-2196526102126057312017-02-01T09:04:22.359-08:002017-02-01T09:04:22.359-08:00In 1976 Tomas Videgård wrote an article about LSD ...In 1976 Tomas Videgård wrote an article about LSD in Sweden´s biggest morning paper. It is one big "Hail to LSD, our Saviour"-thing. It can EASILY be found if you google on him. What I wonder is: does he STILL believe in LSD?? (he looks like an old hippie these days.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-13196158361726917602017-02-01T08:27:44.180-08:002017-02-01T08:27:44.180-08:00First a comment about reading these thoughts of a ...First a comment about reading these thoughts of a 92 year old person still on the ball. Most people are dead by then, and my parents, both Janov's age ,are ailing and spaced out. Maybe that's a coincidence, or it has something to say about Primal. More statistical data would be needed , of course, to come to any conclusions about longevity, alertness and Primal.<br /><br />Now some observations about parts of this blog. Janov talks about "cemented" faces. That struck me as an interesting characterisation because I saw one such person with a cemented face yesterday whose actions prompted an almost violent reaction on my part. Janov writes that these faces portray a lack of feeling, and I agree intellectually (which means nothing practicaly). But when this stoned faced sunglass wearing snotty bourgeois lady blasted me and a taxi driver yesterday out of impatience, I almost lost it. I was so upset! I did not bash her car to bits (only in my head) but I gave her the finger and a nasty look. So I suppose if one of these half humans comes in to Primal therapy, a therapist would certainly need to REALLY sense beneath the mask to the underlying Pain, because I DO NOT!I always wonder how some therapists deal with aloof arrogant cold people, as opposed to evidently and overtly sufferring people. <br /><br />Further: Janov talks about the "calm" of the person under the influence of tranquilisers (or worse heroin). How to differentiate this "calm" from true natural calm, both subjectively and objectively? We know intuitively there is a difference. It's like the "joy" of a person who is drunk: is part of that real, and how does that differ more precisely from the real joy , for instance, of walking with your beloved down a country lane on a summer's day?<br /><br />Finally: I can understand the ultimate goal of working to natural drug-free and act-out emotional happiness. But what about potentially long term adverse drugs for physical pain? I mean , even the happiest saintliest person can break a leg, suffer some debilitating genetic defect etc... Is the ultimate goal to just put up with physical pain as a deer would in the wild if it fell off a a trail?<br /><br /><br />Marco<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-89469261223392497352017-01-31T06:43:20.263-08:002017-01-31T06:43:20.263-08:00This is to sad for me to say... but should have be...This is to sad for me to say... but should have been told for many years ago!<br /><br />Once guilty so always guilty... if not primal therapy is seen as an opportunity!<br /><br />If we as parents continue to live as responsible for everything our children fails. I mean... when we try to argue for why we suffers but this rebounds on us as parents as we have adult children living at home and we get the blame for what they failed... so we are stuck without being able to do anything. <br /><br />So we must do something if we do not want to go in grave with ourselves and never get to feel the reason about why we failed. An almost unbearable situation! <br /><br />No word in the world will do to an understanding when met with hatred... hatred accumulated for many years! If so... there is a respite... it will always be in controll for what buried hatred limiting the understanding.<br /><br />In this case... to just walk out the door and never come back is the only door that is open!<br /><br />When need of love has become so painful that it is in its nature of what suffering is... then we can jump from a bridge and find satisfaction in it.<br /><br />Frank<br />Frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02242354226308728116noreply@blogger.com