tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post6322819597218836133..comments2024-02-11T18:16:53.445-08:00Comments on Janov's Reflections on the Human Condition: The Simple Truth is Revolutionary: On Being a PsychopathArthur Janovhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16709863014923629409noreply@blogger.comBlogger54125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-73439480093591983872012-02-27T12:34:23.726-08:002012-02-27T12:34:23.726-08:00Wow. that's an interesting read. I had no idea...Wow. that's an interesting read. I had no idea the female had a penis... I'm going to have to read up more on the Hyena.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-73678730347315673152012-02-26T17:20:31.111-08:002012-02-26T17:20:31.111-08:00I am a prime example of one of "God's gre...I am a prime example of one of "God's greatest creations". I am experienced as a pool ball is smoothed round, grounded as a hummming bird only need be, I posses the energy and force equivalent to that of a 5000000 tonne nuclear bomb, only my core is set to "idle", and I have yet to find reason to ignite this destruction on my fellow brothers and sisters. <br /><br />I love, I trust, I hurt. I repeat painful process after "pain-fueled" process in an attempt to remind myself I'm no better than the rest. I self destruct, and it eats away at me, tearing at my "soul" choking me and society is to blame, slipped through the cracks, a lost cause, a "passing of the buck" no mater who I call out or how I call out I am an old dog... like a 2yr old that can not speak but can not tell you his car restraints are too tight, barely able to breath, wondering why this world is torturing him, why these people that speak of love and unity, here before him, would not think ahead to check the restraints; smarter not harder. <br /><br />I am human, but I am still child, not man not woman, not adult, because no boy is truly a man in the eye of infinite knowledge & wisdom, and no mind ever grows old only "un heard". <br /><br />I am human, we are equal, but only to the point of which the rest of you wish to think equally, accepting, understanding, forgiving. I am no criminal, I have done criminally at times, in a means to survive, I am a "parent" in the eyes of the children that come here after my arrival, and a "deadbeat" only in the eyes of corporate leaders which lead worlds having been placed on such a "stage" by the efforts and hard work of those that foolishly do only as they are TOLD to by these leaders. Such a glass house we all live in. Each of us placing titles and obligations on one another forgetting our true being is to resolve and over come personal obstacles... yet we continue to hide in our fears, and rule with a barb handled Gauntlet. <br /><br />I speak so many words of experience and wisdom, I hold high my expectations of others, and act fearlessly in their calling most any time of day or night, yet I am restricted to seeing myself as anything more than a sexually abused sac of shit that passed on this devil's touch; if only for the sake of trying to bring the being which put my soul in this box, out to so I could say "I told you so...!" <br /><br />My blood is red, my "heart" (though weighed down with years of anger and frustrations, betrayals, regrets, loss) pounds for love, adventure, chance, evolution... <br /><br />I am one in/of billions... I am DeGrinchAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-38625498589472073462011-10-29T15:25:24.841-07:002011-10-29T15:25:24.841-07:00What about narcissists?Can PT cure them?What about narcissists?Can PT cure them?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-58840026852256716252011-03-30T03:10:35.138-07:002011-03-30T03:10:35.138-07:00Mitch: That is so kind of you but I think if you s...Mitch: That is so kind of you but I think if you so little keep it for yourself. We have the Primal Foundation which uses donated money to help poor people have the therapy. We are about to turn out of money, however. AJArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-74329211202412243022011-03-29T13:53:38.995-07:002011-03-29T13:53:38.995-07:00Glad you missed that. Please put a way to make do...Glad you missed that. Please put a way to make donations easy using credit or debit cards to further your research and to help others become therapists or to take the therapy. Some of us just want to help and we don't have the ability to do too much. I am a mess but I could send you 20 dollars and feel good about that. Hey, I bet I am not the only one wanting to do this. Ok?Rev. David Mitchel Stowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07229721465863438865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-11605655079263895432011-03-07T11:25:03.808-08:002011-03-07T11:25:03.808-08:00Richard: We treated very few psychopaths. One bec...Richard: We treated very few psychopaths. One became dangerous but I never saw the eruptions. AJArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-71455066148145513592011-03-04T14:04:07.047-08:002011-03-04T14:04:07.047-08:00Art, as you know, people who have suffered severe ...Art, as you know, people who have suffered severe frontal lobe injury have trouble regulating their feelings. they erupt impulsively. and they show a lack of empathy.<br />i'm just curious, when you tried to treat psychopaths, did any of them erupt?<br />i watched a documentary on a psychopath and he was certainly capable of showing some emotion. well, actually, he got very annoyed....that's the only feeling he showed.Richard Atkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13587935146938446604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-69480259311184630092011-01-04T04:47:19.296-08:002011-01-04T04:47:19.296-08:00Richard: ay ayay you can breed hostility and gentl...Richard: ay ayay you can breed hostility and gentleness in a few generations so that it looks like genetics. They have done it with wolves and another species and made that species kind and tender. It is the direction of the breeding and of course epigenetics. a big chapter in my new book. hang on. art janovArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-86563145884461465242011-01-03T14:26:54.647-08:002011-01-03T14:26:54.647-08:00Epigenetic trauma may be the cause of psychopathy,...Epigenetic trauma may be the cause of psychopathy, hermaphroditism and many other conditions more commonly seen in violent cultures. The spotted hyena may be a good example of epigenetic mutation. The female is larger than the male. She has a penis and scrotum but no testicles and no vagina. Her narrow, six inch penis is virtually identical to the male hyena's penis. Her large cubs pass through her penis during the extremely traumatic birth which will often kill a cub and/or mother. Mating is difficult as the male must ejaculate into the female's penis. There is one alpha female per clan. The alpha female is dominant and will severely bite any male that has not licked her penis enough times. Each male tentatively takes his turn to lick it to confirm his lower ranking. Throughout the day, spotted hyenas visciously growl and nip at each other, regardless of their gender or situation. Cubs attack and kill each other from the moment they are born. Up to 25% of cubs die this way. The level of aggression displayed by cubs is determined by the amount of masculinizing hormones in the womb. Studies have shown that these hormones can be affected by changes in the pregnant mother's environment. The mother will not attack her surviving cubs, and will attack any hyena that gets too close to them, but her behaviour is more like a crocodile than a loving mother. Hyenas have a very developed cortex. They are far more intelligent than cats and dogs, and many scientists consider them to be as intelligent as chimpanzees. How did the female's body go through this radical transformation without it leading to the species' extinction? The hyena's intelligence may have helped the species to survive during a succession of fatal mutations. The human race seems to be in the middle of a similar type of transition. In the past, it may have been easy for people to primal and return to their normal hormonal set points, but today neurosis is so widespread, I fear we might be looking at the dawn of a new species.Richard Atkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13587935146938446604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-13698161867365123972011-01-01T09:53:05.890-08:002011-01-01T09:53:05.890-08:00Andrew
In many European countries, the total wra...Andrew <br /><br />In many European countries, the total wrapping of babies was common practice. <br />They did it to me and my brothers - the whole town did it to their children. They did it to Alice Miller. The native in the USA did it and the same practice was tradition in the southern state. Naturally, this child-rearing mindset (black pedagogy) came with the traumatized, who immigrated to the USA. <br />50 years ago, a baby was wrapped tight all the way to the neck, for the first 4 weeks. We are talking about here implementing phobia!?<br />Beginning 1960, the torture about demobilizing the child in Germany loosened up. Today, they leave at least the arms out. They call it, keeping the baby save and warm. <br />SieglindeS. W. Alexanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12087227301358286386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-50360055621640373382010-12-28T17:43:05.430-08:002010-12-28T17:43:05.430-08:00Hello all - some thoughts:
When I was around 12 y...Hello all - some thoughts:<br /><br />When I was around 12 years old I remember watching a documentary which showed (as part of it) the (then) Russian practice of childbirth. Immediately once the baby was born it was wrapped up tight in cloth and then taken away from its mother - apparently this was normal prctice. My instinctive reaction to the sight was that it was a horror story. It also looks like a good way to help create a society well-endowed with psychopaths. (no offense to Russia - just making the point).<br /><br />Maybe this practice of taking the baby away from its mother is part of the reason why Russia could become a socialist society? Create a powerful isolation-imprint and you get a society of people who want to "dissolve themselves into the collective" as an adult? Just a thought. <br /><br />That isolation-imprint might also explain why so many of us just can't put our cellphones down too i.e. always needing to be "connected".Andrew D Atkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04492591375757227409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-71327000793231712752010-12-25T18:13:52.211-08:002010-12-25T18:13:52.211-08:00Dr. Janov,
It looks like I was surrounded by psyc...Dr. Janov,<br /><br />It looks like I was surrounded by psychopaths all my life. Or was it, that I was aware of their manipulative, cold, action even as a child. <br />My parents, my father’s mother, later two of my brothers and then continuing with my mother in-law etc…..At the age of 14 I wondered why other people gave in, agreeing with the controlling behavior, continued worshiping the abuser’s rigid views, lowering their eyes in shame instead of defending themselves. <br /><br />Perhaps I should include the biggest psychopaths next to politicians - priests and preachers. <br /><br />Finally, this sentence, “…and often decide to become therapists with no training” exactly fits two therapists I walked out in the middle of therapy. <br />Even in CT therapy we face fanatical, self-righteous, self-empowering money-makers, where a hour is over after 55 minutes, leaving you stuck with a horrible memory, unable to face the traffic driving back home. One tried to label me as bipolar because I refuse to accept their manipulative, identity altering approaches. <br /><br />If there is no therapy for a psychopath, how do we deal with them? <br />My approach so far is – cut them off – let them know that you see through their manipulative game – and throw them out of the house. <br />The funny part is, as soon as you set boundaries, they are the first to call you “non-empathetic”. <br />The article “Inside the Mind of a Psychopath” says: “Are psychopaths made or born? The answer is probably both. If, as investigators believe, genes account for 50 percent of the variability among those who exhibit adult antisocial traits, that means life circumstances may be just as important as biological inheritance. Some psychopaths are scarred by rough childhoods, but others are the “black sheep” of stable families.<br />http://www.themindinstitute.org/docs/kiehl_buckholtz_sam0910022_final.pdf<br /><br />This explanation is insufficient and biased. There are no black sheep in a family; there are children deprived of their needs, neglected, the reason why they become rebellious. If we don’t know for sure how a psychopath is created, we can’t help. And, if we can’t help, we pay for their existence. Either, they are in prison costing money or moving about in society, preying on the already damaged. <br /><br />Should we look into how these psychopaths became psychopaths? Most writings, many books on the subject are not addressing the cause. Labeling is no solution!<br /><br />I must admit, I have some “left-over” issues (regressive, defensive anger) with psychopaths. <br />SieglindeS. W. Alexanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12087227301358286386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-16489669334808024502010-12-17T17:04:09.252-08:002010-12-17T17:04:09.252-08:00I found some of the latter responses sort of inter...I found some of the latter responses sort of interesting. I may be wrong, but I gather some might be a little upset over our discussion of psychopaths. maybe we touched off a nerve? I am not sure if these are new visitors or maybe silent watchers for a while. All I know is that if one has to work for a psychopath, whose every words is a complete lie and consistently lies to everyone 24/7. They don't even know how to tell the truth or want to tell the truth. Much easier just to lie and deny.<br /><br />but what makes me wonder even more is those over them who hired them, protect them, and reward them. Some may or may not object to my suggestion that there are lots of psychopaths, possibly because it is a very uncomfortable truth to confront or admit, for what do we hide or go to escape them? There is no visible escape to find.<br /><br />Or is it that if we admit psychopaths exist and may even be quite common, then perhaps we are getting just a little too bit close to the real truth. And as we know from PT, most mainstream "doctors" want nothing to do with PT, anymore than their patients do. Those kinds of patients like being lied to and let off the hook and those lying to them. And everyone conveniently avoids seeing any truth about themselves or the world. Self-deception if often the greatest obstacle to recognizing PT. Or put another way, Truth hurts. And ignorance and denial falsely feels like bliss. Bury it and ignore it. Ah, to watch those wheels spin, huh?apollohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02040184843184207525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-11971283501036476672010-12-15T03:33:03.967-08:002010-12-15T03:33:03.967-08:00Emanuel: psychopaths don't ask that question. ...Emanuel: psychopaths don't ask that question. art janovArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-71035661103143883392010-12-14T16:36:12.443-08:002010-12-14T16:36:12.443-08:00Kaz: I found your comments particularly on Karl ...Kaz: I found your comments particularly on Karl Marx (and I read the link) very unfeeling. His writings were brilliant IMO, though I was only able to read translations. Marx was trashed by the McCarthy hearing on Un-American Activities. I thought the whole McCarthy hearings were insidious and put the US in bad favor around the world. <br /><br />That Marx might not have been a 'nice' person and, if so, put him in company with Dickens, Churchill AND Sen McCarthy, should not detract from the brilliance of his writing that gained great favor around the world for many years. To me, the tragedy of the communist experiment was in the implication of it by Lenin then Stalin. <br /><br />Righteousness and wrongteousness are value judgments. A feeling person, IMO, would say they either 'liked it' or did 'not like it' and leave it for what it is:- their feeling. <br /><br />Feeling-full beings, neurotics, sociopaths, psychotics, schizophrenics and catatonics are gradations from a person having all their childhood needs met, all the way to having almost none met. The baby Adolph Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Joseph McCarthy et al are sad, sad stories indeed, leading to eventual attempts by them, to resolve their early hurts.<br /><br />The question I most ask is; can we prevent those insidious hurts in the children of tomorrow? Karl Marx, IMO, had an idea towards that end; but sadly had no understanding of Primal Theory. Quelle domage.Jack Waddingtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06427501529242639591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-51961593385597034212010-12-14T04:53:04.453-08:002010-12-14T04:53:04.453-08:00Duncan: The hallmark of a psychopath is the damag...Duncan: The hallmark of a psychopath is the damage and destruction he leaves everywhere. He is never ever benign. art janovArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-70137695657343299032010-12-14T04:50:25.330-08:002010-12-14T04:50:25.330-08:00I got this comment in an email:I got this comment in an email:Arthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-4844701903313962942010-12-14T04:49:35.035-08:002010-12-14T04:49:35.035-08:00My answer:
The certified Primal Therapists are at ...My answer:<br />The certified Primal Therapists are at the Primal Center in Santa Monica.<br />You are so interested in the therapists you can always join and learn. art janovArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-29502197300287151762010-12-14T04:46:02.277-08:002010-12-14T04:46:02.277-08:00I got this comment in an email:
"hummmmmmm. ...I got this comment in an email:<br /><i>"hummmmmmm. hummmmmmmmm. There is such a thing as the fallacy of line extension. Starting with one premise, approach, method, etc and extending it to more and more ventures. Its a marketing expression. Scientific American once ran a long study on the necessity of the infant feeling the pain of childbirth to kick off the hormonal systems functioning. I have it somewhere. So its more than birth pain...it's birth trauma...Sci. Am. is kind of feeble anyway but what catches my attention is once upon a time Primal used to be about Neurosis. Now its Psychosis too....and personality disorders....and psychopaths (did we forget Sociopaths here?). I just feel cantacorous because no one told me where all the CERTIFIED PRIMAL THERAPISTS are."</i>Arthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-21362801559942811052010-12-14T04:43:41.054-08:002010-12-14T04:43:41.054-08:00Paul: meaning?? AJPaul: meaning?? AJArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-11165778731648671452010-12-14T04:42:31.860-08:002010-12-14T04:42:31.860-08:00Chyron:
There is a world of difference. Read my b...Chyron: <br />There is a world of difference. Read my blog again. art janovArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-8308655424536101472010-12-14T04:38:34.969-08:002010-12-14T04:38:34.969-08:00I got another question in an email:
"What is ...I got another question in an email:<br /><i>"What is the greatest/deepest human need?"</i><br /><br />My answer:<br /><br />LOVE IS THE GREATEST NEED AS I DEFINE IT IN MY BOOKS. ART JANOVArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-57276604814853420402010-12-14T04:35:38.285-08:002010-12-14T04:35:38.285-08:00I got this question in an email:
"Can psychop...I got this question in an email:<br /><i>"Can psychopaths go back to womb life,feel it and get better??or healed??<br />or is it impossible??"</i><br /><br />My answer:<br /><br />Not that I have ever seen. They seem to me to be damaged beyond repair. I have never seen any one of them change. art janovArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-56127210076512718282010-12-14T04:31:42.992-08:002010-12-14T04:31:42.992-08:00Hi Art ,i wonder whether there is r e a l l y th...Hi Art ,i wonder whether there is r e a l l y that clesr distiction between neurosis ,psychopathy and psychosis... My friend -deceased -had in m y lay person´s opinion/diagnosis.. had all three features in him !! <br />And were those bastard!!! of a small town here in Germany -members of a brass band -who raped (an euphemism... I want spare You and others the details!- all drunken neurotics or psychopaths? By the way nobody was charged because of the investigators´fault. <br />My point how can I know i am not a psychpath -hence -incurable?... Yours emanuelemanuelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01380331335118885426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-40028886494753113602010-12-14T00:24:29.654-08:002010-12-14T00:24:29.654-08:00Speculating:
I think psychopaths always have an ...Speculating: <br /><br />I think psychopaths always have an underlying scripted flavour in their expressions - a flavour (from a reality) that makes them hard work to listen to for after the first 30 seconds or so. <br /><br />I think they learn to hide that scripted flavour (or more specifically our would-be reaction to it) with heavily exaggeated "niceness" or "excellent manners" or just preaching the rubbish that they know we want to hear.<br /><br />I think we can sense the psychopath if we just don't take the bride - maybe.Andrew D Atkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04492591375757227409noreply@blogger.com