tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post3787549961115836183..comments2024-02-11T18:16:53.445-08:00Comments on Janov's Reflections on the Human Condition: The Simple Truth is Revolutionary: What Is a Feeling?Arthur Janovhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16709863014923629409noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-9270987363331305932017-03-16T16:24:03.989-07:002017-03-16T16:24:03.989-07:00Gary,
My heart goes out to you.
My upbringing wa...Gary,<br /><br />My heart goes out to you.<br /><br />My upbringing was similar, especially in regards to never being loved, or emotionally nourished, or praised, it was also pretty much totally destructive.<br /><br />I have a multitude of functional disorders including mental retardation, and schitzotypal personality disorder.<br /><br />Beatings are one cause of retardation and learning disabilities. <br /><br />Maybe you have read my posts.<br /><br /><br />Dad believed that children were born stupid and bad, and had to be beaten and criticized and scolded to be made smart and good . <br /><br />At 63, I am still not really much good for anything. Can't do much of anything right. I have a multitude of functional disorders. Very accident and screw up prone. <br /><br />Spent most of my life in therapy and self improvement of one kind or another.<br /><br />And doing research to try and figure out what is really wrong with me. <br /><br />To get to the root of every problem I have. <br /><br />I still learn but at my own pace and my own way. <br /><br />Dad and mom had six boys and one girl. Girl youngest. <br /><br />Only two boys have children of their own.<br /><br />Myself (oldest) and youngest boy, have no partners. <br /><br />(I am very worried about the youngest, that he might commit suicide soon. He is having a very difficult time. I have not seen him for 20 yrs, but I talk to him on the phone. )<br /><br />Girl has a man,(17 yrs older) no children.<br /><br />It is a dying lineage. <br /><br />Overall family is very estranged.<br /><br />I did not even go parent's funerals in 07.<br /><br />I am about 1600 miles away. <br /><br />I was so sick, (mentally and physically) at the time, (as a result of the abuse) it was all I could manage, to hang on to my own life.<br /><br />David<br /><br />Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08244698465989773529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-32785573328828988792017-03-14T12:24:56.872-07:002017-03-14T12:24:56.872-07:00Sandie,
RE: Meningitis:
I got the following from...Sandie,<br /><br />RE: Meningitis:<br /><br />I got the following from: <br /><br />http://learninggnm.com/SBS/documents/brain.html#Meningitis<br /><br /><br /><br />Meningitis most commonly affects children under five years of age, particularly babies under the age of one. Brain damage associated with meningitis is unlikely caused by a brain edema (wrongly assumed to be a swelling of the meninges) but rather by vaccines containing neurotoxins such as formaldehyde, aluminium phosphate, or thimerosol that bypass the blood-brain barrier resulting in potentially serious neurological disorders<br /><br /><br />You can read up more on the link. <br /><br /><br />David Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08244698465989773529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-61144293087841231332017-03-12T13:24:55.801-07:002017-03-12T13:24:55.801-07:00So so right. Who is the London Institute? ArtSo so right. Who is the London Institute? ArtArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-37413077126082352612017-03-11T17:08:00.697-08:002017-03-11T17:08:00.697-08:00Hi Art,
regarding the LIPT - they particularly st...Hi Art,<br /><br />regarding the LIPT - they particularly state on their website that the three week intensive is 'counterproductive' due to the alleged shock to patients when it ends.<br /><br />I cannot see how Real Primal can start without the intensive and yes, there must be a risk at the end of it that patients may feel 'lost or abandoned'. . . However, it seems absurd to address this issue by discarding the intensive altogether. <br /><br />There is a risk that when jacking up a car to change a wheel that the car may fall off it's jack. . . But to dispense with the jack altogether? To try to take the wheel off without the jack? I think anyone professing to change a wheel without the jack is selling snake oil; I think they're not taking the wheel off at all; I think they don't even know what a spanner is or how to use it.<br /><br />So, from everything I have learned from you on this blog and from your books I am deeply suspect of anyone offering Primal without the intensive. How could anyone get past their defenses whilst also developing a rapport with their own therapeutic process without an intensive period of at least three weeks? <br />It seems indicative of what the Primal Center in Santa Monica has achieved and refined, that it still starts with the intensive. That is obviously one thing the Primal Center got right from word go.<br /><br />I can see that during that three week period all previous 'insight' falls away leaving the patient with who they really are and a real view of their actual needs. Without that it's just another succession of 50minute hourly sessions. Just another set of 'appointments'. <br /><br />I perceive the London Institute selling yet another therapy of 'convenience'. Real Primal is NOT convenient.<br /><br />Paul G.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02006514330039884557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-66803496789804597362017-03-11T04:25:29.498-08:002017-03-11T04:25:29.498-08:00Responding to David's post I have known a chil...Responding to David's post I have known a child-man aged 70 for 26 years.. He is mentally retarded, like a child in a mans body but truly such a sincere, lovely friend. Especially for me from a childhood of incessant violence from my father and a very violent rape my first sexual experience his sincerity and open hearted reaction has been like a balm. The government want to abort such people in the womb but I consider it would be a loss if this happens. He hasn't got Downs.The cause, his mother told me, was meningitis at birth. Sandie.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-83649006796083086182017-03-10T22:08:08.406-08:002017-03-10T22:08:08.406-08:00The London Primal Institute is illegally and uneth...The London Primal Institute is illegally and unethically using our name. They integrate with other nonsense because they do not know what they are doing. Art<br />Arthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-86670087856425178312017-03-10T19:46:49.948-08:002017-03-10T19:46:49.948-08:00Art,
I think you are more qualified to figure it ...Art,<br /><br />I think you are more qualified to figure it out, than any one else, and can figure it out, given some time to think it over and through.<br /><br />That is your assignment. <br /><br />:)<br /><br />David Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08244698465989773529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-20521168802593443662017-03-10T15:52:10.163-08:002017-03-10T15:52:10.163-08:00Hi Art,
Oh yes.
Symbolic ideation. . . We need a...Hi Art,<br /><br />Oh yes.<br /><br />Symbolic ideation. . . We need a guide to help us 'reflect' past the barriers set up in our limbic system to defend us from the reality of our earlier 1st line traumas. Particularly the 1st line traumas.<br /><br />Without a guide we can only 'ruminate' with partially conscious act outs; appearing in dreams, in shadows of our daily day dreams. . .<br /><br />That is the difference between 2nd line access and 1st line reliving. . .<br /><br />The real Primal is in accessing 1st line without the 2nd or 3rd interfering, without a 'melange' or act out. <br /><br />We cannot do this without correct support. I could write a book about that and if there were support for it here in UK which could actually result in UK giving UK citizens a fair presentation of their 'health issue facts', then I would write it. As we can see such 'scribblings' don't help deliver the facts to those who could really deliver good curative measures. <br /><br />I was told by the so called 'London Institute of Primal Therapy' that 'primal principles' had been integrated into all forms of therapy, thus the three week intensive was NO LONGER NECESSARY.<br /><br />The way I see it is that the Primal Center in Santa Monica California is the only 'clinic' which has accepted the inevitable fact that without adequate support during the the decent, without an entire 'procedure' based on the three brain primal process / evolution in reverse, well then access to our 1st line stuff will remain a destination on another line we are not on, having caught the wrong train in the first place.<br /><br />Abreaction leads to the need for continual identification with a 'saviour'. <br /><br />In a way, I am still 'caught' too. . . I identify with stuff all over the place, but I know it's happening. . .<br /><br />I have noticed when I take any kind of opiate for relief it enhances my particular form of ideation. Opiates make for a dreamy nirvana of parental rescue in one form or another.<br /><br />Did Churchill's 'Black Dog' rescue him or attack him?<br /><br />Given that our endorphin system is there to protect us and keep us feeling 'OK' then it follows there must also be a corresponding neural circuit to back up the defense with that neurotransmitter (or is it an inhibitor actually)? This is what Art has been banging on about in his book about belief. . . . . . <br /><br />Paul G.<br /><br />We must guard against identifying with Art (or anyone else) as some kind of 'saviour'. . . If your endorphin system hasn't yet failed then it will provide a certain 'psycho - idealisation'. . . Or in other words: "A Belief System" Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02006514330039884557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-7685459054105958852017-03-10T12:48:35.842-08:002017-03-10T12:48:35.842-08:00No worries Art,
I'll go find all those pages ...No worries Art,<br /> I'll go find all those pages you wrote. KKatherinaninahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16332073848086460414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-25464371344692966552017-03-10T12:28:02.787-08:002017-03-10T12:28:02.787-08:00Katherinanina, I can't answer your question bu...Katherinanina, I can't answer your question but maybe can point to where you may understand it better. On the right side of this page about 1/3 of the page down it says "search the blog" under the little box it says "google search". Type in 'abreaction.' It will take you to the fifteen part article starting July 26, 2016 that Dr. Janov wrote here.<br /><br />One of his quotes was "...abreaction is the discharge of feeling disconnected from its source, making it in fact a defense, or at least reinforcing an existing defense. It can be the release of a feeling from one level of consciousness into another level. For example, first line into third line. Or it can be first line disconnected from any other level, taking on a life of its own to the exclusion of any other levels. The defense system in its crafty and brilliant way, can promote many forms of abreaction that may lead to strange ideations, crazy delusions and paranoia." (part 2/15).<br /><br />Hope this helps.Sherihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03600090931780217359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-77259962250927703832017-03-10T11:09:15.003-08:002017-03-10T11:09:15.003-08:00Oh my, tell me if I am wrong but I wrote 50- 80 pa...Oh my, tell me if I am wrong but I wrote 50- 80 pages on this in my piece on abreaction. What more is there to say? Can anyone else help out from some of my quotes? ArtArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-19436497131815160362017-03-10T08:04:57.464-08:002017-03-10T08:04:57.464-08:00We are soldiers in the attempt to overcome ourselv...We are soldiers in the attempt to overcome ourselves! <br /><br />The moment of experience are impossible for its process... the obstacles are immense! We are not in war against soldiers we are at war with our own brain who suffer in its attempts to survive which we projects on others... it because we do not know better about ourselves! This is also linked with many other behaviors.<br /><br />FrankFrankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02242354226308728116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-45035505619903175492017-03-10T04:25:47.399-08:002017-03-10T04:25:47.399-08:00Dear Frank, thank you ! Yes my question comes afte...Dear Frank, thank you ! Yes my question comes after already gaining a deeper understanding of what feeling is from reading some of Arts books, blog, the Legacy and years of experience of the feeling process. And it's taken years to see the obvious and ask the question " How can we feel good if we can't feel ?" . I didn't even know I had feelings before Primal Therapy.<br />I would like to study neurophysiology to understand the physiological mechanics of the feeling process. <br /><br />Katherina Katherinaninahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16332073848086460414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-28743369675589362862017-03-09T16:46:15.388-08:002017-03-09T16:46:15.388-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Katherinaninahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16332073848086460414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-56259833849380500122017-03-09T16:20:57.006-08:002017-03-09T16:20:57.006-08:00Feeling: What it is and what it can tell us, based...Feeling: What it is and what it can tell us, based on Janov's research. Another great book title, subject.<br /><br /> I would really like to understand the neurophysiological differences between abreaction and feeling/reliving. I understand the different basic concepts and their implications. <br /><br />Ever grateful to you and France,<br />KatherinaKatherinaninahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16332073848086460414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-3566086933702230882017-03-09T10:00:11.225-08:002017-03-09T10:00:11.225-08:00David, you flatter me. I do not know enough to ans...David, you flatter me. I do not know enough to answer your suggestions. ArtArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-11743701975340754822017-03-09T09:57:52.963-08:002017-03-09T09:57:52.963-08:00Thanks, ArtThanks, ArtArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-10962401202453886772017-03-09T07:57:14.076-08:002017-03-09T07:57:14.076-08:00Emotional feeling is a "good thing". Ju...Emotional feeling is a "good thing". Just too bad now, one has to combat just what's out there in people. A lot of people , including women, like macho man with no feeling, and some insist that others should not feel also (to the point where they are never nice to the nice person); to me, those people are ignorant. If one is seeking Primal Therapy, just don't get "sucked in" by the crowd that is out there nowadays, and one should be o.k.. I really hate to say it, but many men and women just feel that it is good to be brute strong with no feelings, and it seems their kids are picking up on it. These people should also be treated along with the ones who went through birth trauma. I'm not saying everyone out there in today's world is like this (showing brute strength mentally, with no feelings), but many are that way. I don't know if the kids bring it home, or if the parents start this "mode"; just not good. beachcoast7https://www.blogger.com/profile/17348238170525257587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-36198451145735973852017-03-09T03:41:18.432-08:002017-03-09T03:41:18.432-08:00Another illuminating article, Art.
That is really...Another illuminating article, Art.<br /><br />That is really getting down to the deep, core, nitty gritty.<br /><br /><br />I would like you to write an article on what you think the various causes of such problems as autism and Down's syndrome, deformities, monsters, con-joined twins, and others, are.<br /><br />The reason I say various causes, is because I suspect that there are more than one. I think there could be many causes.<br /><br /><br />David<br /><br />Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08244698465989773529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-25835393373269953732017-03-09T03:00:31.673-08:002017-03-09T03:00:31.673-08:00I am very happy that you have set out so clearly a...I am very happy that you have set out so clearly an aspect that is essential for effective aid to drug addicts.<br />More than twenty years ago, I made my first attempt to convince people working in rehabilitation centers that the problem is not in drugs but in pain hidden deep in the mind and drug addicts , try to flee.<br />A "Johnnie Walker" is one of the most powerful sedatives in existence. Psychological addiction is not to the drug, addiction is to the relief of pain.<br />My congratulations Dr. Janov. It is one of the clearest work that has been written about the nature of pain and the true defense mechanisms used by the body.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-88916141017625258572017-03-09T02:56:47.771-08:002017-03-09T02:56:47.771-08:00Hello Katherinanina!
Love is all we needed!
Now ...Hello Katherinanina!<br /><br />Love is all we needed!<br /><br />Now you have shouldered a question that all scholars in the field of psychological phenomena are puzzled by... phenomena until we encountered primal therapy!<br /><br />I'm sorry... but I have to disappoint you! First we have to experience a lot... I mean a lot of emotions that are not of a satisfactory before a thought of satisfaction can come to the question... but still to be the only way to achieve satisfaction. Knowing is the first question we face... but if it is a question of feeling satisfaction... then we have probably started in the wrong therapy if we chose Primal Therapy. But here comes an equivocation for what we later will experience possitivt about to feeling negative emotions... it to be positive for its journey... but first later in our therapy. I mean... with the benefit of hindsight so is primal therapy fantastic all the way throught (if implemented right?)... but it is not going to be emphasize before we ourselves experience it. So... thoughts on positive feelings to bypass the process of primal therapy is to go too far.<br /><br />If we had received love needed during our childhood... so we would not need any therapy or not even a neocortex (think about it if you can:)... then we would been satisfied with what feeling exists in our limbic system and we certainly would not have been neurotic... but that is another issue for what evolution has made survival possible... or?<br /><br />Actually... we do not need to think so much... but still that's all we do... ALL WE DO! Something for your question is that we are thinking not to feel. So... your question is before its time about the question to feel. Not a small issue when we seek therapies to first achieve satisfaction.<br /><br />Love is what we never got!<br /><br />Your FrankFrankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02242354226308728116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-11365887746618564862017-03-08T21:27:35.888-08:002017-03-08T21:27:35.888-08:00Yep. ArtYep. ArtArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-71770306923836236642017-03-08T15:11:00.184-08:002017-03-08T15:11:00.184-08:00What is the point of any Therapy? Isn't it to ...What is the point of any Therapy? Isn't it to FEEL GOOD ?<br />Well how can we FEEL good if we can't feel? Obviously we need to understand what feeling is!<br /><br />Katherina <br /><br /><br />Katherinaninahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16332073848086460414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-77432348218165170832017-03-08T06:58:07.109-08:002017-03-08T06:58:07.109-08:00About being on the inside or the outside of myself...About being on the inside or the outside of myself!<br /> <br />On the way home after taking a cup of coffee at a cafe and shopped a bit I met a woman who smiled at me. I felt a rush through my body and I smiled back... something that would have been painful for some time ago. But now free as the wind to breathe!<br /><br />Back to the café where I met an older gentleman who I talked to... and we came in to questions about life where comments on how old on retirement homes are just sitting and rocking back and forth without any one to talk to. I mean absolutely no one to talk to. Suddenly the man become pale in his face and where already on his out by saying "that I do not want to talk about." Maybe I should have known better but it seemed not to be so.<br /><br />What a question to answer without a life. I wonder if that is not an issue for many younger then life comes too close to answering.<br /><br />So on... what is it to feel? It is to be so small as we can not imagine we been! Do we understand that? Being so far away from feelings... it by space and time that passed during many years impossible to perceive. What it is to be an adult? The distance is to be small in an adult's body without its history. Where to start?<br /><br />FrankFrankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02242354226308728116noreply@blogger.com