tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post2622997202145531097..comments2024-02-11T18:16:53.445-08:00Comments on Janov's Reflections on the Human Condition: The Simple Truth is Revolutionary: On Curing Steve Jobs (updated)Arthur Janovhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16709863014923629409noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-79863488712238770402011-10-27T10:10:25.659-07:002011-10-27T10:10:25.659-07:00And my answer: I never try to entice anyone into t...And my answer: I never try to entice anyone into therapy. The enticement is the sense we make. artArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-77660979816484109822011-10-27T10:09:46.877-07:002011-10-27T10:09:46.877-07:00An email comment:"
Dear Art,
According to W...An email comment:"<i><br />Dear Art,<br /> <br />According to Walter Isaacson who wrote an official book about Steve Jobs, Steve was a very emotional guy...seems like ideal Primal Therapy material. You praise Jobs so highly I'm wondering if you at all attempted to entice Steve to "try" PT once he told the world about his pancreatic cancer. I don't know if PT has been able to "reverse" actual diagnosed cancer or not. But I know you said at one time you were no longer going to name "diseases" that Primal patients have cured; because it made PT sound too much like a panacea. Steve apparently engaged in both "magical thinking" as well as being the hard nosed engineer.<br /> <br />As for Primal Therapy's "Time", it seems like the whole Occupy Wall Street movement is an ideal moment to advance the cause. Every hierarchal structure is under attack. And as you've vividly pointed out, the whole Therapy Industry is going in the whole direction and needs a good shaking up.</i>"Arthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-68872444828599479462011-10-22T15:34:03.272-07:002011-10-22T15:34:03.272-07:00Hi,
Nothing to live or die for,
Paul G.Hi,<br /><br />Nothing to live or die for, <br /><br />Paul G.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02006514330039884557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-72304448945632342862011-10-21T18:47:18.975-07:002011-10-21T18:47:18.975-07:00i commend you for you social activism, Art, with R...i commend you for you social activism, Art, with Rev. Shuttlesworth...Paul, the director you're alluding to is David Lynch; and the John/Yoko bed-in for peace was in '69, prior to his short-lived PT involvement..grumpyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07620337750803837746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-56008699675134428552011-10-21T12:22:11.291-07:002011-10-21T12:22:11.291-07:00Paul G: NopePaul G: NopeArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-74397313092653608482011-10-21T10:50:44.870-07:002011-10-21T10:50:44.870-07:00Paul G: Whenever you think like that remember John...Paul G: Whenever you think like that remember John Lennon who wrote the Plastic Ono Band and the Imagine. Did he lose his creativity? art I have only seen it help. My wife became a painter as a result of the therapy.Arthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-37365750251147853702011-10-21T09:00:09.218-07:002011-10-21T09:00:09.218-07:00Hi Art,
let's try this one for size: I rememb...Hi Art,<br /><br />let's try this one for size: I remember seeing a film about John & Yokos' 'love in'. They were in bed protesting. Any-way you were there too!<br /><br />Yes you were, I'm sure. . .<br /><br />Paul G.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02006514330039884557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-17139933934679318852011-10-21T01:05:40.938-07:002011-10-21T01:05:40.938-07:00Hi,
-"how wouldn't artists being cured ...Hi,<br /><br /> -"how wouldn't artists being cured of their neurosis lose their creativity"-.<br /><br />This is one hell of a hot potato.<br /><br /> There's a famous film director whos' name I can't remember whos' arty films I can only vaguely remember (some are repulsive to me, remember the one with the half cooked chicken, ah yes "Errasor head or some such sh**e). Anyway, he took up Transcendental Meditation and wrote a book about the impact it had on him.<br /><br />Interestingly, in the forward to this (forget-able) book he tells of how he went to see a psychologist and when asked if the treatment would affect his creativity the psychologist remarked: "well, probably it would". As a consequence this famous director of 'arty' movies decided to take up TM instead because the TM people said TM would definitely enhance his creativity.<br /><br />Well, there you have the best example of flattery you can get. If you don't get the tremendously complicated implications of it I'll spell it out:<br /><br />1. Most 'modern art' is a reflection of the (so called) artists' own neurosis (more or less obliquely admitted).<br /><br />2. The artist has literally put the 'expression' of his neurosis on a peda-stool for other lesser mortals to revere and appreciate.<br /><br />3. The viewers of this 'art' are gratified because the said 'expression' provides an external focus of attention (awareness only, not conscious) for the 'issues' that are (fundamentally) neurotic in us all. . .<br /><br />4. Thus 'art' becomes the toilet for the collective projections of all unconscious worshipors of their own un-addressed and un-examined neurosis.<br /><br />5. We are offered a very serious but well veiled choice here arn't we? Get real and live an essential life filled with good feelings and sincere relationships OR stumble around in a sewer of SYMBOLS which merely reflect the nightmare we are all trying (subconsciously) to avoid.<br /><br />Arrrghhh! My blood boils sometimes. <br /><br />By the way, since I came to my true feelings I have designed and made ever increasingly better and more aesthetically pleasing Oak frames and my other music and percussion 'expressions' have improved also. Ironically I am less and less propelled to put it all on a peda-stool and shout: "HEY - LOOK AT ME"! <br /><br />As you can see, I have a large bee buzzing around in my bonnet about all this.<br /><br />Paul G.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02006514330039884557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-23586710527701073782011-10-20T09:14:41.485-07:002011-10-20T09:14:41.485-07:00"Grumpy: My God how on earth do you know that..."Grumpy: My God how on earth do you know that when I cannot remember any of it? Incredible. art"<br /><br />your appearance on Cavett is clearly etched in my mind; Clint Eastwood was also on the guest panel that evening; at one point Cavett asked you a loaded question, how wouldn't artists being cured of their neurosis lose their creativity? you just shrugged and responded, "Do you have an easier question"? touche! the perfect comeback; one which i still use, when asked questions for which there is no easy answer.grumpyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07620337750803837746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-67449519861220002562011-10-20T02:51:45.253-07:002011-10-20T02:51:45.253-07:00One thing I do remember because the Rev. Fred Shut...One thing I do remember because the Rev. Fred Shuttlesworth died today. He was Martin Luther King's associate, and I brought him to Palm Springs to help me organize the Black garbage workers there in a place called section 14. It, and it was a collection of shacks, was going to be destroyed for luxury homes and we tried to stop it. Dr. Shuttlesworth used to say to me, hey Janov sitting on your money? When I was living in a cheap track house and had $200 in the bank.Arthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-18970314737786839952011-10-20T02:50:59.840-07:002011-10-20T02:50:59.840-07:00Grumpy: My God how on earth do you know that wh...Grumpy: My God how on earth do you know that when I cannot remember any of it? Incredible. artArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-21808674325318581242011-10-19T14:09:57.234-07:002011-10-19T14:09:57.234-07:00"And my answer:
Many don't know about it ..."And my answer:<br />Many don't know about it cause I have not been public nor have I don the media. I tried once or twice: Charlie Rose who never answered our letters. And others but I think it is too radical to be accepted by the mainstream press. art"<br /><br />not to beat a dead horse, Art, but i remember in the early days, when Primal Scream first came out, you were a guest on Dick Cavett, which i saw, and really liked; i also heard you and Dyan Cannon appeared together on Johnny Carson; wish i could have seen that one; a few years later i saw you going one on one with Tom Snyder on his late night gabathon, which was excellent actually; also a segment with the tv physician Dr. Art Ulene; but nothing since then; or if there was, i missed it.grumpyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07620337750803837746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-64688761092153991892011-10-17T23:02:04.131-07:002011-10-17T23:02:04.131-07:00Grumpy: I mean the cause of it. artGrumpy: I mean the cause of it. artArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-21877779021803271982011-10-17T23:00:48.897-07:002011-10-17T23:00:48.897-07:00Marco: I have no idea where Steve got his therapy ...Marco: I have no idea where Steve got his therapy but it was not with us. That is what helped create a bad name for us...all those charlatans pretending to do Primal Therapy. artArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-58363951023299745812011-10-17T18:38:22.196-07:002011-10-17T18:38:22.196-07:00i must take issue with your assertion that Jobs wa...i must take issue with your assertion that Jobs was "bereft of the knowledge of what was killing him"; he knew very well, and he faced his demise, and eventual death, with exemplary courage.grumpyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07620337750803837746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-20651798617169367962011-10-17T15:20:30.192-07:002011-10-17T15:20:30.192-07:00In the first article by Dr Janov about Steve Jobs,...In the first article by Dr Janov about Steve Jobs, he writes: <br /><br />"So goodbye, Steve, you changed my world and you never knew me. But I am indebted to you for my life today." I don't mean to pry, but what relationship did you have ,Dr Janov, with Steve Jobs? That Rolling Stone article shows that he got it about your therapy in 1972, yet the Wikipedia article about Primal Therapy states:<br /><br /> "Apple Inc. founder Steve Jobs briefly practiced primal therapy.[89] A source states that Jobs "grew bored and disdainful of Primal Therapy.'" Perhaps I have overstepped the bounds of discretion here, so please forgive me, if so. Anyways, it's so strange how so many people can be so outwardly "successful", but perhaps not so internally.I wonder if there is also a certain type of defense particuliar to us nerdy scientific-techie types (in my case, former science type, since I dropped all that at 17 to waste another 30 years studying the "human sciences" to find out that all these psychologists and psychiatrists and sociologists and theologians and polly-sigh types don't know what they are talking about basically ).<br /><br />I have to add here that the death of Steve Jobs got some heavy fear and panic going through me, because I am exactly his age, and I often think of Dr Janov's observations that many neurotics start to break down in their 50's. I too may be one of those since I am now developing a potentially serious disorder of the peripheral nervous system called POLYNEUROPATHY, characterised by tingling , burning, numbness in the limbs, awkward gait, clumsiness, spaciness, slight eye trouble,etc.. The two main known physical causes are diabetes and excess alcohol consumption. Since I drank a lot, all that alcoholic poison may now be taking its inevitable toll. So, "thanks" MOM, for all the HATE you bestowed on me in that good old blunt sadistic Italian FASCIST way. You wanted to destroy me: you may have finally succeeded!<br /><br />MarcoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-41972270794665039122011-10-17T13:31:27.719-07:002011-10-17T13:31:27.719-07:00Another email comment:
It is paragraphs like the...Another email comment: <br /><i>It is paragraphs like the one I highlighted in red that make me never miss ANY of your posts...the ones I feel pertaining to me and the ones I find consolation in. I do, however, believe that the body fabricates (or attracts) its own triggers automatically. When the time is ripe and when the physique, as well as the psyche can handle it, the first line imprints are reversed in an organic fashion WITHOUT personal intervention. Well...that is my own theory (taken from my own personal experience), unless you have stated this somewhere in your other publications.<br /><br />Thanks for this!<br /><br />"Now let’s remind ourselves that these traumas are registered deep in the brain and create havoc, and they resonate higher up as we evolve and disturb our emotional and intellectual/learning capacities. All levels resonate with one another and form a single coherent entity, possibly through similar or identical frequencies. To trigger-off the top level can mean setting off the bottom rung of the memory, as well. When we relive traumas in our therapy we eventually trigger off the related first-line deeply imprinted early imprints that dislocated cellular functioning. So we relive something in our childhood, a rejection, which gathers up into the reliving process the prototypic early imprint and the whole thing is relived; more than relived, we know that there is integration and resolution. That means that the damaging womb-life imprint is also integrated so that it no longer creates the tendency to disease.""</i>Arthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-90432355289787749652011-10-17T13:25:44.176-07:002011-10-17T13:25:44.176-07:00And my answer:
Many don't know about it cause...And my answer: <br />Many don't know about it cause I have not been public nor have I don the media. I tried once or twice: Charlie Rose who never answered our letters. And others but I think it is too radical to be accepted by the mainstream press. artArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-88249815561503633182011-10-17T13:22:47.335-07:002011-10-17T13:22:47.335-07:00An email comment:
"Yes, I agree with you, no...An email comment: <i><br />"Yes, I agree with you, not on the brain kind of explanation you give, as I know nothing about the brain function. I do know about uncovering trauma. I often wonder how wealthy people like Steve Jobs and the many rehab-hopping, relationship-hopping actors and famous personalities who could afford your Primal Therapy do not take advantage of it. <br /> <br />So many reside in California and must know of it. Perhaps one reason is that we have no personal accounts of primal patients themselves. Why is that? And as long as the unconscious if ignored, people will continue to suffer. <br /> <br />Thank you for your blog."</i>Arthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-15948281783451088592011-10-17T13:12:45.379-07:002011-10-17T13:12:45.379-07:00Paul G: I am writing about it today and it will be...Paul G: I am writing about it today and it will be published soon. it is proof that psychology has been overtaken by booga booga and left science far behind. artArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-68922013231960332692011-10-17T02:37:25.588-07:002011-10-17T02:37:25.588-07:00Hi,
I've heard a bit of your opinion about mi...Hi,<br /><br />I've heard a bit of your opinion about mindfulness as a therapy and I'd sure like to know more because it seems part of a common misunderstanding about the difference between 'Inside' & 'Outside'. Hasn't it been plagiarised from a Budhist concept, partly to do with observing the way our attention 'moves'?<br /><br />I must say that these concepts are about how we attend in the external world (3rd line behavioural). If you're learning to be a carpenter or bus driver or chef then mindfulness is useful but it really doesn't relate to our inner brain functioning much does it? Tell us more Art.<br /><br />Paul G.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02006514330039884557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-65531538527719496612011-10-16T20:53:10.336-07:002011-10-16T20:53:10.336-07:00Paul G: I will soon write on Dan Siegel psychiatri...Paul G: I will soon write on Dan Siegel psychiatrist at UCLA and his teachings of mindfulness; a collection of greater bullshit I have not seen. artArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-7972481976342585282011-10-16T18:55:58.633-07:002011-10-16T18:55:58.633-07:00Hi,
I read the Primal Scream back in the 80s and ...Hi,<br /><br />I read the Primal Scream back in the 80s and knew there was something wrong with me. But you all must realise that when the 3rd line is 'informed' in this way about the truth of the 2nd and/or 1st there can be no guarantee that the poor (newly informed) individual has the foggiest idea about how and or why to proceed.<br /><br />It's still all words isn't it?<br /><br />More-over, she may easily be persuaded that all psychotherapy has a common aim and go for the first therapist who smiles and listens, as did I. Not a bad start but. . . . . . .<br /><br />Art has said that when there is a lot of 2nd line trauma on top of the 1st that this must nearly always be worked through first. As far as I can see I am certainly in this situation.<br /><br />I suspect so are many others, 2nd line neglect, abuse, confusion, grief, loss and wanting. All piled up on top of 1st line terror. <br /><br />For the foreseeable future I am going to continue to be expressing the traumatic grief of my boarding school incarceration (years and years of it) and the way that links with earlier 2nd line abandonment episodes. <br /><br />At least my body work therapist helped me get to that, shame he isn't equipped to take me further. I am on the verge of telling him about it actually. . . what do you think?<br /><br />Paul G.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02006514330039884557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-66143213961008438622011-10-16T18:00:59.729-07:002011-10-16T18:00:59.729-07:00i read the RS article today; Steve was such a beau...i read the RS article today; Steve was such a beautiful, and troubled, young man; it breaks my heart to look at his early photos; yet he went on to accomplish so much; which speaks volumes for the human spirit.grumpyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07620337750803837746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-26144881327211860362011-10-16T02:20:14.597-07:002011-10-16T02:20:14.597-07:00Hi,
I got talking to an old friend who unfortunat...Hi,<br /><br />I got talking to an old friend who unfortunately has recently qualified as a Reiki Master. I say unfortunately because I now feel like one of his patients instead of a friend. Anyway he's been reading up on Janov and when I said I want to go to California for the treatment and suggested he might, he said "how long does it take" I said it's a life long work but starts in the clinic for a month or so.<br /><br />My friend concluded that he did not have all his life and was seeking enlightenment in 12 months first ? ! ? ! ? ! He's been on so many workshops. . . .<br /><br />Paul G.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02006514330039884557noreply@blogger.com