tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post2030669604720256531..comments2024-02-11T18:16:53.445-08:00Comments on Janov's Reflections on the Human Condition: The Simple Truth is Revolutionary: On Overeating And Over Everything, Including Tiger Woods And PussyArthur Janovhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16709863014923629409noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-6020412623116159742010-03-06T11:24:03.877-08:002010-03-06T11:24:03.877-08:00MrSlatersParrotSpeaks: Thank you. art janovMrSlatersParrotSpeaks: Thank you. art janovArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-88180415700360491972010-03-06T11:22:37.324-08:002010-03-06T11:22:37.324-08:00MrSlatersParrotSpeaks: Where is the parrot? Does ...MrSlatersParrotSpeaks: Where is the parrot? Does she speak? If so, can she explain what your comment means? AJArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-89604437902886411642010-03-06T04:11:03.449-08:002010-03-06T04:11:03.449-08:00I too was at the Primal Institue (in the eighties)...I too was at the Primal Institue (in the eighties)and had a bad experience. Due to various events I lost my trust in them, although at the time I blamed myself. I have wanted to go back to therapy ever since I left but was too afraid. All my first line feelings have been at home. But I dont think we have to accept an incomplete therapy. Art has stuck with this and I think it has developed and improved. The new website is great and I find my self excited and inspired again. The last time I was at the Primal Center I had a really good feeling (I just mean general feeling) about Art the therapists and the center, and I'm hard to please. I think Art should be praised for being so devoted to Primal Therapy against the overwhelming negativityMrSlatersParrotSpeakshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09486036451276865362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-21620339999450226162010-03-06T03:01:02.361-08:002010-03-06T03:01:02.361-08:00I think that a man of Art's age even trying to...I think that a man of Art's age even trying to catch a giraffe is very impressive. The fact that it got through in no way diminishes the amazing efficacy of primal therapy.MrSlatersParrotSpeakshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09486036451276865362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-28275140851609801142010-03-03T09:43:45.981-08:002010-03-03T09:43:45.981-08:00Walden exactly what gaffe? I have been carrying...Walden exactly what gaffe? I have been carrying on research on gestation and birth trauma with a German medical clinic. the lead physician tells me the results, which he and I are writing up, are "astonishing." art janovArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-26348327374713575472010-02-28T16:02:31.265-08:002010-02-28T16:02:31.265-08:00Wow, I just looked at the first comment above (Ric...Wow, I just looked at the first comment above (Richard) and while I do see the point that Richard is drawing out, I also think the post as a whole is dangerously misleading and unbalanced.<br /><br />First of all, Primal Therapy most definitely IS about feeling, and it is not really helpful to construct a false dichotomy like this so that we have to choose between feeling and connection. Everyone will have a different experience in therapy, but one constant is the element of exploration. You are basically going where you have not been before, and because of that, mistakes and partial results are just the order of the day. Feeling is the vehicle. Connection is a kind of destination, and guarantees are just out of the question. Along the way are bound to be as many misses as hits. This is normal, although practice and skill should improve the percentages over time.<br /><br />Now, if you ask Art or anyone in his organization to write you a warranty on your progress as a patient, you will hear these words "That would not be ethical". Obviously.<br /><br />Sometimes terminology helps clarify things. There area de-scriptive models and pre-scriptive models. Primal Theory, as Dr. Janov has described it, is a descriptive model, especially in its treatment of connection. What this means is that the model helps in the identification of a connected experience, but it is does not give a recipe for making that happen in a deterministic manner. This is why you need to think in terms of travel, in terms of what the vehicle is, and in terms of probable destinations. Over time, if the therapy is any good, the numbers will bear that out. Any other approach to precipitating connection is artificial, and Dr. Janov has covered this form of mock therapy extensively in his writings on insight therapy.<br /><br />By the way, it is this nondeterminism in the journey that makes therapy a challenging undertaking. Otherwise by now neurosis would be entirely a thing of the past, I imagine.<br /><br />What I'm wondering is how this gaffe slipped through without Art catching it.<br /><br />WaldenWaldenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10764833480863624204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-11097246381175287482010-02-28T11:33:21.905-08:002010-02-28T11:33:21.905-08:00Frank. I tried 30 years ago in Sweden they were ...Frank. I tried 30 years ago in Sweden they were not at all interested. But my new research and new book should pave the way for a whole new science of psychotherapy. also the import for women who are pregnant or who expect to be is crucial. I would love to come to Sweden in the spring but they have to pay my way and hotel. I paid my own way last time and it got me nowhere. You should tell those authorities that I have been elected Academic Hall of Fame, a most prestigious honor. art janovArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-63203796613378108522010-02-27T22:50:13.186-08:002010-02-27T22:50:13.186-08:00Art
I am invited to the Social Board here in Swede...Art<br />I am invited to the Social Board here in Sweden… to discuss the issue of different treatment methods and their place in health care… to a meeting about why primal therapy should be introduced in Sweden. The meeting will take place the 16 of mars. What are your requirements to come to Sweden for the introduction of primal therapy here? Are there any questions you want me to bring forward? The meeting will take place the 16 of mars. <br />Frank LarssonFrankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02242354226308728116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-30938387182950972882010-02-26T15:52:30.267-08:002010-02-26T15:52:30.267-08:00Yeah, well, I am just writing to say that I had a ...Yeah, well, I am just writing to say that I had a great afternoon today, outdoors in the woods, sculpting a snowman, and a snow-woman (with boobs and everything!).What a treat! And, man, to see the sun go down from this hill, wow!! It's nice to know that I can still have great experiences once in a while, that it is not all dull greyness for me, that there are ways to improve our lives. And even though I have never done Primal, I am inspired by the fact that Dr Janov and so many other humanitarians have helped others out like me ,so that they can also experience such moments more often. So take care everybody, and hang in there! <br /><br />Marcomacor22https://www.blogger.com/profile/00652948318839690382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-10625712193563077632010-02-25T16:30:25.139-08:002010-02-25T16:30:25.139-08:00Dear Danny,
It really made me sad to read about...Dear Danny,<br /> It really made me sad to read about your sufferring. There is nothing much I can do , but perhaps this sympathetic message can help.<br /> There is a little about me on two other posts by me (above).<br /> Good luck. Marcomacor22https://www.blogger.com/profile/00652948318839690382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-55217299677367913092010-02-25T05:59:49.922-08:002010-02-25T05:59:49.922-08:00Danny: Hi. Sorry about your therapy but if you loo...Danny: Hi. Sorry about your therapy but if you look at my Life Before Birth and all the documented scientific evidence you will know and already probably do know how crucial womblife and birth are. I cannot take responsibility for those who claim to do Primal Therapy. All I can say is I do know what you get at the Primal Center, and that is proper therapy. art janov. It is the first line that gives the power to any addiction if one has the remotest idea of how the brain works.Arthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-937716209750526692010-02-24T16:39:20.929-08:002010-02-24T16:39:20.929-08:00As a former patient that underwent 7+ years of Pri...As a former patient that underwent 7+ years of Primal Therapy in Los Angeles (1992-1999) at the Primal Institute, not the Primal Center, I can certainly attest to the idea that the impetus for addictions lies at a deep first line level within us. I spent years in therapy on the floor crying, screaming, begging for love, to be seen, held, touched, making connections, shaping my life in a more productive and emotionally conscious way. On the surface my therapy would be considered quite successful. I still cry easily and am conscious of my life, my place in it, and what is good and right for myself. Yet still...I'm an addict. Not the shoot heroin in my veins type of addict...but a functioning one still obsessing with food, drugs, exercise, and pornography. Though most (including my therapist) would consider me a very conscious and feeling person, I acutely suffer daily with a deep sense of physical unease...as if my core were in a constant state of turmoil and vibration from which I find temporary relief through my addicitons<br /><br />Throughout my therapy I always had this sense that something was missing. There was little emphasis on the significance of first line trauma. Indeed, I had this lingering feeling that most, if not all, of the therapists I encountered were ill equipped to address it.<br /><br />My experience in therapy saved my life...but I know it didn't go far enough. There still lies incredible suffering and trauma inside me...and I know it still drives my addictions.Dannyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02525491636383866274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-14869377983251141772010-02-24T14:35:35.877-08:002010-02-24T14:35:35.877-08:00To Jack Waddington: I would not mind reading your ...To Jack Waddington: I would not mind reading your book, but your e-mail address was not included in your last post. Anyways , if you want to send me your book via e-mail, send it to me at macor22@yahoo.com.<br /><br />I really don't know if , as you write, Dr Janov`s was the greatest discovery to benefit manking ever, since I have never experienced Primal and probably never will. But I have experienced just enough of similar discoveries by Reich and Lowen that I can say that these are remarkably important discoveries, in my opinion. Right up there with Einstein, Newton, Beethoven, Mozart etcc...And , as you say, probably any major breakthrough in the realm of psychology (or more precisely, holistic psychobiology ) is even more important than continuing scientific discoveries of the natural world, since wouldn't we all rather be happier inside our skins than, for example, knowing about and using the gravitatiional law while being neurotic? I would rather have undergone Primal at 13( to perhaps undo some of the damage of my harsh fascist Italian mother ) than learn physics then, beleive me! Maybe I could have had my first girl-friend at a normal age rather than at 42 years of age!! <br /><br />Marcomacor22https://www.blogger.com/profile/00652948318839690382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-48377071358501815282010-02-23T13:24:28.406-08:002010-02-23T13:24:28.406-08:00Will; Dr. Arthur Janov formulated Primal Theory in...Will; Dr. Arthur Janov formulated Primal Theory in the first 60 pages of The Primal Scream way back in 1970. It is, in essence, very simple and extremely elegant. His formulation took that number of pages as he backed up his ideas with studies by many others. In 2007 I published my book where Part I re-iterated Primal Theory briefly in my own words, in 7 short chapters (less than a page each) referring my readers to The Primal Scream if they required a deeper explanation than mine. <br /><br />In the prologue to my book I stated that the discovery of Primal Pain (Introduction; The Primal Scream) was the greatest discovery mankind ever made; and I reasoned it was the greatest discovery because finally, we humans had made a huge leap in understanding ourselves. Now we know what is wrong with us. We now are able to see the difference between our 'behavior' (the only knowledge we had of ourselves before Art's discovery), and our 'nature', which Primal Theory adequately explains. My whole book is concerned with the implications of Primal Theory and how we might circumvent neurosis for future generations.<br /><br />Science has been searching for a "Unified Field Theory" for more than a century and assumes science is where it will eventually be found. I claim that is has already been formulated, and it turned up not in physics (science), but in psychology. Primal Theory IS Unified Field Theory by virtue of the fact that we need NOT seek the nature of the universe, but merely know and remedy what is 'wrong' with us. Neurosis is: the problem. <br /><br />If Art will permit me I will give out my email address and for anyone interested and requesting I will return, for free, an e-copy of my book as an attached .PDF file, that can be read on any computer.Jack Waddingtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06427501529242639591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-4203775233451768742010-02-23T02:41:14.631-08:002010-02-23T02:41:14.631-08:00Will: I think you want a theory of everything. I ...Will: I think you want a theory of everything. I come close to this in Life Before Birth, out in the Fall. Otherwise you are asking for a book not an answer to a blog. Tell me more about what you mean. AArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-28423994596532602922010-02-22T17:00:12.465-08:002010-02-22T17:00:12.465-08:00Have you ever noticed how many mainstream authorit...Have you ever noticed how many mainstream authorities warn us of the dangers of smoking, over-eating, over-drinking, over-anything, supposing that induced fear of consequences will cause people to change? They also usually add simplistic suggestions like: Stop Drinking and smoking! Make friends! Get Married! Don't Eat Too Many Doughnuts! Stay Positive!!! etc.. Funny how that most often doesn't work. Hey, I knew quite well the harm alcool does to me, but that did not stop me from downing a whole bottle of wine last wednesday! What about the misery that night that caused me to drink? These simplistic positive thinkers rarely talk about that in a realistic way! These mainstream medical journalists, and their colleagues in the celebrity-obsessed media make me laugh. <br /><br />Marcomacor22https://www.blogger.com/profile/00652948318839690382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-73919544758359868852010-02-22T15:31:28.862-08:002010-02-22T15:31:28.862-08:00Pbef, I tend to skim-read your posts because I can...Pbef, I tend to skim-read your posts because I can't absorb those huge sentences. Could you please shorten your sentences so it's easier to read? Are you saying the brain takes advantage of it's natural sleep function to make us less conscious of traumatic feelings? We are half asleep even when we are awake? Are you looking for a link between sleep and repression?<br />Also, what is EPT? You keep hinting at it in your posts.Richard Atkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13587935146938446604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-65419124735188279622010-02-22T10:11:11.182-08:002010-02-22T10:11:11.182-08:00In a future blog Arthur would you be able to write...In a future blog Arthur would you be able to write anything about the extent to which PT offers a universal theory for approaching the human personality. For example, Freud is often critisised for offering a theory that reflects white middle class Viennese West European society but which has little to say about the psychological experience and development of people in Eastern cultures. For example the oedipus complex may not occur everywhere. Are there any cultural divides that PT could not cross? Thanks for your blogsite - always interesting to read.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-20352450333921159702010-02-22T10:01:44.354-08:002010-02-22T10:01:44.354-08:00I was being ironic in my comments Art. I agree th...I was being ironic in my comments Art. I agree that rehab is no more than putting a bandage over diseased wound and doing PR for one's damaged reputation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-40123987489840406582010-02-22T02:28:56.360-08:002010-02-22T02:28:56.360-08:00Will: look If he do not go to deep brainstem fi...Will: look If he do not go to deep brainstem first line you can NEVER solve addiction which gets its impetus from deep in the brain. All that rehab stuff is pure nonsense. It is the price we pay for forgiveness. art janovArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-80775382291126863722010-02-22T02:28:11.019-08:002010-02-22T02:28:11.019-08:00Paul All I can say is that I know that we do Pri...Paul All I can say is that I know that we do Primal Therapy at the Primal Center in Santa Monica. What others do I have no control over. Primal gets a bad name because there are so many charlatans out there claiming to do Primal Therapy. Caution! art janovArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-50650949345041837272010-02-22T02:27:14.381-08:002010-02-22T02:27:14.381-08:00Pbef: What?Pbef: What?Arthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-2384652607240844412010-02-21T06:05:17.822-08:002010-02-21T06:05:17.822-08:00Hi Richard,
Sounds great.From the institute where...Hi Richard,<br /><br />Sounds great.From the institute where I went in therapy I got the notion that the 100% non-neurotic person doesnot exist.<br />It is not such a bad idea to speak in percentages.I am disappointed in how my therapy went but I can still say that it might have been 30 to 40% succesfull.<br />I can express myself for instance towards my dentist,what I want and what I don´t like.I can observe myself when I am starting to go to far in overpowering her and take a stepp back and reflect on myself without taking back what I have said.That is progress that prevents me from getting in trouble emotionally lateron,it is not a complete resolving from my past trauma´s.<br />It is part `dealing with´ Actually when I started therapy that was what I hated that other people accepted that as an outcome.Still it is much better then how I dealt with problems before.<br /><br />PaulPaulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18006951008750288590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-89516490445379901672010-02-21T03:04:59.590-08:002010-02-21T03:04:59.590-08:00As a matter of an 'evolutionary psychobiology ...As a matter of an 'evolutionary psychobiology type' principle:<br /><br />Evolutionary success has in the long run most often befallen neuromuscular individuals of the human lineage whose (neural) "actention selection serving system" (abbreviated to anywhere from AS - such as what figures right in the middle of AEVASIVE - to ASSS) did not only "synaptically sequester" (so to speak with reference to the function of inhibitory co-released transmitters or inhibitory interneurons) - whilst likewise automatically recording (or in general becoming "conditioned" by) - traumatizing predicaments but whose "ending up in potentially overtaxing ordeals" and, given that these predicaments or ordeals were survived, whose subsequently incurred and insidiously stored (conditioned-in) primal pain or Pain was handled in an "ambiadvantageously" adaptive rather than just 'mono-advantageously' adaptive way; <br />that is, not merely handled in a Pain blocking (~=CURSES containing) way - and of course a "pain (and fear) gating" way - but in a way that exploits the possibility of an individual (of any new generation of individuals in our phylogeny) "taking" whatever likewise naturally provided - and provided as if in parallel - evolutionary pressure of 'opportunity type'.<br /><br />{Traumatizing predicaments = potentially perishingly overtaxing ordeals caused by any unavoidable or inescapable need-negating environmental source of sensory stimulation.}<br /><br />One may, at a pinch, refer to this principle and to its behavioral and psychological consequences NOT by the (with inEPT associations sullied) word "neurotic" but by way of the eclectically pieced together - and elaborately plaited to be elastic - philosophical term "AEVASIVE".<br /><br />What this "blocking" or (synonymously) "gating" achieves is a state that can be thought of as a highly localized state of "specific/synaptic hibernation" (SH) - as distinct from though also logically and physiologically related to "general hibernation" (GH). GH refers to any almost or entirely behavior-blocking and consciousness-canceling metabolisms-minimized adaptive state of living - a state entered into most typically but not only on regularly occurring climatic (seasonal) cues of impending harsh living conditions.Pbefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12801125543334132971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-60125350065544690482010-02-21T01:25:38.814-08:002010-02-21T01:25:38.814-08:00Richard: Why can't I say it so clealy? AJRichard: Why can't I say it so clealy? AJArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.com