tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post1603104018629209176..comments2024-02-11T18:16:53.445-08:00Comments on Janov's Reflections on the Human Condition: The Simple Truth is Revolutionary: On the Difference Between Abreaction and Feeling (Part 2/9)Arthur Janovhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16709863014923629409noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-79909642023953621332015-08-02T11:43:29.586-07:002015-08-02T11:43:29.586-07:00Lars: Not pointless but when it is right, decided ...Lars: Not pointless but when it is right, decided always by the patient. We never know what feeling needs expressing until it arrives. No therapist is smarter than the patient. That is what mock therapists do in their arrogance and innocence. ArtArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-35181961559463572852015-08-02T11:24:29.031-07:002015-08-02T11:24:29.031-07:00Gary, I checked and your subscription is active. a...Gary, I checked and your subscription is active. artArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-16702833245004568322015-08-02T11:24:07.564-07:002015-08-02T11:24:07.564-07:00A reply to Phil by email:
"Art
I was unable...A reply to Phil by email:<br /><em>"Art<br /> <br />I was unable to post this comment (a response to Phil) on your abreaction part 2 piece, so am sending to you direct:<br /> <br />"Phil: I disagree; even long term primallers can slip into abreaction, especially when the pain awaiting them feels too much <br />Also, I know that, as you say, many therapists are not directive or controlling, but that doesn´t mean they are proper primal therapists either. Gary" <br /> <br />Also, I didn´t receive your latest (abreaction part 3) essay. Am I still subscribed?"</em>Arthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-81693805250260860202015-08-01T14:40:15.666-07:002015-08-01T14:40:15.666-07:00You are right, artYou are right, artArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-76420238472012310512015-08-01T04:48:41.448-07:002015-08-01T04:48:41.448-07:00You're damned right: what blocks the patient&#...You're damned right: what blocks the patient's brainstem from freeing its accounted terror is the therapist's own fear to witness his own being triggered by that. Oh my God. "Tell (shout at) your mother!": certainly a detouring neglect (subsequent laryngeal irritation avoidable?) Do you mean no patient needs to be told, even suggested, to tell her mother -let alone on a face to face basis?. I'd say That precise vomiting happens naturally when it comes to freeing the cognitive Brain, and that belongs to the realm of first line discharges from daily uploads, doesn't it?. I was once told there comes one time (and only one) to tell your mother and father a few home truths. Do you feel that is pointless and helps relief in no way?.<br />Accurate as ever. Thank You. LarsDespertareshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02896761553793062978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-82456800762242862742015-07-30T04:24:30.059-07:002015-07-30T04:24:30.059-07:00Art: The following is an extract from an article t...Art: The following is an extract from an article titled "Natural Vs. Directive Primal therapy" by Harley Ristad, written in 1975, whilst a patient at the then Denver Primal Center. It illustrates perfectly what you are talking about. Gary<br /><br />"During my fourth month of therapy, a mistake was made whereby I was subjected to some directive therapy which brought up some pain out of its natural sequence. I was a willing and cooperative participant who believed that good therapy had been done. It was two months later when it suddenly became clear to me why my therapy had stagnated. I believe this mistake set my therapy back more than a month. Because of this mistake, I have learned how very good natural primal therapy has been for me.<br /><br />It happened on a Friday; I had been deep into my feelings for six hours, and came out of a two hour primal in, the middle of post group. (Patients are in separate rooms during group, and meet in one large room for post group.) It was then that another patient, who was a stranger to me, dumped a lot of anger on me. I was very together, felt his charges were nonsense, and chose not to dignify his diatribe with a defensive reply. Instead, I tried to share with the group that I had just primalled being left all night alone in a hospital when I was about one year old with my arms strapped to my sides like a slab of beef and insects biting my face. When I was in most need of support for my feelings, the therapists joined the goup with their need to see gladiators in action. They urged me into a different response, and I replied with anger.<br /><br />At my next session, the following Monday, my therapist chose to talk about the Friday anger dump. I was told that, as an adult, I can see that the anger is crazy, but when I was a little boy I couldn't. In post group the same patient dumped his anger on me again. This time, I followed my therapist's suggestion and went with the feeling of being small and not being able to figure out the craziness. I went down on the floor, and went real deep, My therapist greatly intensified the pain when she put her hand on my shoulder.<br /><br />Being pushed to where I wasn't ready to go was so unnecessary. The anger dumps were locked in my memory. At some later session, when my body was ready, I could have gone into feelings about them. Natural primal therapy assumes that there is a natural sequence for a patient to feel his buried pain which is unique for each patient and can never be known by the therapist"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-49939515372964399712015-07-29T13:25:23.249-07:002015-07-29T13:25:23.249-07:00I feel like the problem of abreaction would be mos...I feel like the problem of abreaction would be most critical early in the therapy process when<br />the patient is still learning. <br />In an individual session I usually am clear on what I want to talk<br />about and the feelings, as I have been doing this a long time. I don't find my therapist ever<br />really redirecting, he mostly stays quiet and is just a really good listener, which isn't at all easy to do.<br />In therapy groups, which I rarely get the chance to take of advantage of, it's more spontaneous and I have a harder time. It seems like anything could happen with other people reacting and<br />the group amplifying the feelings.<br />PhilAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-79778093638981229112015-07-29T12:56:57.628-07:002015-07-29T12:56:57.628-07:00Hello Anna!
"But what is the mechanism of ab...Hello Anna!<br /><br />"But what is the mechanism of abreaction in the case of self-primaling"?Your neocortex!<br />"When the patient is alone with noone to interfere is there a danger of abreaction"? Yes! Your questions tells of uncertainty where no one will suggest you to undergo primal therapy on your own! Head to Janovs center if you have the money ... it is betted where you get paid for every penny you spend.<br /><br />your FrankFrankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02242354226308728116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-82963523317891844232015-07-29T11:45:37.638-07:002015-07-29T11:45:37.638-07:00Dear Art,
I understand how abreaction can be trigg...Dear Art,<br />I understand how abreaction can be triggered by an unexperienced therapist. But what is the mechanism of abreaction in the case of self-primaling? When the patient is alone with noone to interfere is there a danger of abreaction? Or only a danger of not going deep enough into the feeling?<br />Thanks<br />Anna<br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03301732076949258394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-2957822597303351912015-07-28T04:23:23.480-07:002015-07-28T04:23:23.480-07:00Why we can become so vulnerable during the Primal ...Why we can become so vulnerable during the Primal therapeutic process!<br /><br />To imagine the child in us... when we as adults are embarrassed to meet someone we like... it's a matter of life and death! If it sounds ridiculous... or we become afraid... or causes any other reaction as we by any means trying to avoid... it's life of death that remind us!<br /><br />I do not think there are many psychiatrists who experienced the drama of standing in front of a train with assertiveness to jump... to be in longing and hopelessness for something absolutely necessary... something he/she experiencing will never happen. The intensity of death in itself! Death we senses the intensity of... death of being ashamed to meet someone for something he/she absolutely have to get... but in time long ago... can we imagine that? <br />We need other than psychiatrists and psychologists!<br /><br />FrankFrankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02242354226308728116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-64997041256395815172015-07-27T23:55:56.362-07:002015-07-27T23:55:56.362-07:00Now that is what I call getting to the core and sp...Now that is what I call getting to the core and spellig out how therapists have to be fully "tuned" to their client, knowing exactly the moment to speak or not. I have been observing for some years now seeing exactly as you describe.Lady Portiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15926578434258745634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-5671819754514190272015-07-27T14:35:54.114-07:002015-07-27T14:35:54.114-07:00I hope so too for you. artI hope so too for you. artArthur Janovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18009571728800026496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-47437995713439410212015-07-27T11:17:42.441-07:002015-07-27T11:17:42.441-07:00Dear Art
Maybe some day I will be able to relive a...Dear Art<br />Maybe some day I will be able to relive all my pain and connect it corectly.Katarzynahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17911400318077957562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3420173096635836108.post-12186839492408154512015-07-27T02:47:37.206-07:002015-07-27T02:47:37.206-07:00Now my mother is dead!
What is a feeling? The nee...Now my mother is dead!<br /><br />What is a feeling? The need! How does it look like? It is full of tears... holding my thumb with the other hand and "desperately" calling out for mom... it in my living room as loneliness is approaching! Then it just happens... the feeling of when mom leaves me as five year old in the hospital... alone without any idea when she'll be back. That is a feeling as long as it exists. <br />Back in the room... and I know a lot more about feelings than I have ever done!<br /><br />FrankFrankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02242354226308728116noreply@blogger.com